4TB Raid Storage

Hello,
I am getting ready to being editing a documentary I have been shooting for the last year. I've shot almost 2 TB of footage. Right now the footage is contained on two 1 TB external hard drives. Both these two hard drives are mirrored on two additional 1 TB external hard drives as a back up.
I want to copy all of my raw footage onto a RAID drive for my main editing drive. On this drive I will keep all of my footage and the FCP projects for the movie.
Is this a good idea? What kind of RAID drives are the best? Where do you purchase these drives?
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Clay

It's all a balance of convenience, speed, and safety. Even with RAID 5 or 6, on a long-term project where your assets are extremely valuable, a backup strategy is important. I built a RAID-5 setup for about $2300. This gives me some ability to get back up and running if one drive fails and most of my media can be recaptured without too much trouble. In my case, do-it-youself was an acceptable risk. But if I was in your shoes, I'd look to a vendor that can build, warranty, and service the unit (Cal-Digit comes to mind). I would not trust RAID-5 or 6 without a separate backup.

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