And ddr333

Don't know if anyone has had this problem, but... there seems to be a conflict between some ddr@333 and these mobos.
I got a system with 2.8 intel cpu, 865PE neo LS (I think) and 512 DDR at 333, with win XP home. From the start got a lot of random error, lock-ups and just a lot of system degenaration. I had various error codes, (00000007; 10000008F; 000000024; irq less than or equal, BSOD; lock-ups and restarts; memory errors, etc.).
Checked drivers, hardware, memory, PSU, everythig, and finnaly gave up. Took my machine back to the vendor, to let him figure it out. He stripped it, left just a SATA HD, GF4 and RAM and today I got a call from him today saying that the ddr333 ram seemed to be the problem. When he substituted it for DDR400, the problem disappeared. He tried different sticks of DDR333 and all had the same problem.
Unfortunatly, I don't know what brand the DDR333 or if it was generic, but I'll try to post an update on that.
I've seen some posts here of people who have crashes similar to mine, using DDR333 (and DDR400), but the solutions on those threads have been linked to other issues - such as RAM brand name compatibility or excess heat or low power supply or driver/bios issues - and none of the solutions seem to apply to me, from my testing and the vendors, as well.
Ha anyone heard of such an issue? Does this make sense, I mean, this kind of issue? Or is it more likely just a bad mobo, that needs replacing?
Thanks
My new SPECS
512 RAM DDR 333
865PE-LS mobo
CPU intel 2.8HT
Firewire pci (generic)
sblive value
MSI GF4 4400TI
MSI DVD+-RW
Ricoh MP7040A CDRW
UMAX SCSI scanner S12 (not working with WInXP)
Alcatel SpeedTouch USB ADSL on ISDN modem
Generic LAN card
LExmark E12 USB laser
Various USB and gameport joysticks
In Bios I have turned off onboard sound and lan

Not sure why you're sure heat or power supply etc. doesn't apply to your case. Go ahead and post your power supply - especially the amps on all the rails. Esp 3.3 and 12v - it matters.
Also have you tried increasing your vdimm voltage up to 2.65 or 2.7 - up to 2.8 is considered safe usually.
You can run memtest86 - check around its free. And let it run for awhile - hours and hours - its a great way to see if the ram is the culprit.
I'm glad you seem to have gotten it all sorted for now. But - it may not have been the ram afterall.
Just FYI  - good luck.

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    Originally posted by AzaghalSEI
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    Problem #1: POWER ISSUE
    When, or if, I remove AC Power from my PC for whatever reason I run into a problem in which after reconnecting the AC Power and attempting to turn on the computer it goes into a 3-5 second startup loop in which the PC does not post, but rather cycles power to all of the components indefinitely. I notice the LEDs on my optical drives cycling repeatedly ad infinitum until I power off using the 4-second hold method, and then press the power button again. At this point the PC boots up fine, and boots up fine going forward from all restarts and shut downs. How strange? I've never, EVER, encountered something like this before.
    Problem #2: PERFORMANCE ISSUE
    This PC has a handful of serious performace issues.
    3dMark03 scored horribly.
    Prime95 runs ridiculously slow although there are no erros! It runs much more quickly on my work PC which is a PIII 866mhz with 384MB of PC133 RAM.
    I receive, on no regular frequency, or while doing anything in particular, Explorer memory errors. Not BSOD's mind you, but "...blah blah blah referenced memory address xxxxx-xxxxx and could not be written". This causes Explorer to restart itself, blowing away the start menu, task bar, and any Explorer windows open. They reappear, of course, without incident.
    The most off performance issue of all is that when opening an Explorer window for either of my IDE HDs, designated D and E drives, I find that when using the highlighting rectangle tool the Explorer window freezes or lags. I can double-click and open or move/copy files without incident, but if I attempt to highlight by this method this halt or lag occurs.
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    1) 2 BIOS flashes. First from 1.2->1.7, and then from 1.7->1.8. Ostensibly this was just "because". The power user need to have the latest! I noticed the incorrect CPU temperature being reported, however.. This led to me buying this massive ThermalTake HSF to replace my stocker. I also added more thermal goop than I ever have before, as well as a PCI slot fan before I became aware that it was a BIOS issue! GRRRR MSI.
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