Aperture seems to ignore edge sharpening on export

I like this edge sharpening tool in Aperture.
However when I export a picture the export process seems to simply ignore my edge sharpening I made. This is even true when I use the "edit with ..." menu.
Edge sharpening seems also be ignored while printing pictures.
I must say that edge sharpening is quit useless if I can't see the effect in exported or printed versions

jonesmc wrote:
When you're exporting, are you choosing to export "Version"? Otherwise, you're just exporting the original.
I export Versions of corse.
I also think that this is a bug - and a very important one.

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Aperture 3- Adjustments - EDGE SHARPEN - I would like to PRE-SET the adjustmnets to Intensity .48, Edges .91 and Falloff .46. How do I lock in these settings? I may change these as I edit, but I would like to start with these on each photo. Thanks - Bob

Go to a photo and then remove all adjustments from it.
Then add an edge sharpen adjustment and dial it in with the settings you want. Then from the effects menu, select "save as effect" and give it a name. Then you can just use that effect on images to make those settings.

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I wonder if there is a way to specify an amount of sharpening that shall be applied to an exported image that is going to be scaled down e.g. for web presentation. My preferred solution would be to include this into an export preset.
I have used this "output sharpening" feature (also known as "web sharpening") within the export preset e.g. in Bibble Pro 5 (yes, another RAW converting software) and it really helps avoiding loss of sharpness as a result of scaling down images. I agree that this is not necessarily needed for each and every image but there are quiet some cases when output sharpening gives them some punch.
As a newbie to Aperture this is what I have learned so far:
Aperture provides various tools to adjust sharpening of images, starting with the sharpening adjustment applied to RAW files (RAW fine tuning) continued by "Sharpen", "Edge Sharpen" up to the possibility to "brush in" sharpening to certain parts of an image.
Apple was so kind as to provide a nice introductory movie clip to illustrate the basic usage of edge sharpening
All these adjustments are applied to the image in its original size of course. As soon as I export images and downsize them (using an appropriate preset) I do not seem to have any influence on how post-processing continues (re: sharpening). I have to rely on how Aperture handles this internally (right?). Surprisingly, this is different when it comes to printing. If the output is print the user may adjust the amount of "output sharpening".
As far as I have seen I am not the first and only one who faces this issue. A more elaborate article on output sharpening with sample images in context with Aperture is given e.g. here.
Another interesting review on "Sharpening with Aperture 3" can be found here.
Of course I have also searched the forums for a suitable solution. As far as I can see a satisfactory solution has not been outlined so far:
Sharpening upon jpeg export
Sharpening export workflow question
Output sharpening
Sharpening during exporting process
Maybe there are some news or workarounds in the meantime. I'd appreciate your proposals and look forward sharing your experience on this issue.

Kirby, I thank you for your kind answer. It is very much appreciated!
After reading one of the articles quoted in my original post I thought that the "BorderFX solution" for output sharpening on export would no longer work. But it obviously does as you report.
In the meantime I have had a look at the BorderFX website. Many features for a plugin - more than I usually need - but an interesting project anyway!
As you supposed I am not that keen on using a plugin for just the sharpening of images going to the web. But it's at least a workaround which I think is worth while a try.
So let's have a try!
For anyone having a similar problem I attach two sample images which I exported
a) with the built-in export feature of Aperture (3.2)
b) with BorderFX (1.5.3) and the settings you recommended
Please be sure to click on the respective images as the previews look horrible to me at first sight!
a) Aperture Export (resize to 600 px height)
b) BorderFX export (resize to 600 px height, Edge Sharpen: Intensity: 0.5, Radius 1.00)
The image size allowed to upload here is quit limited, but I think the difference can be noticed. Maybe the sharpening in b) is already overdone but the comparison shall only serve as a first shot.
If somebody from the Apple Aperture team comes across this thread:
Maybe we can have a "sharpen on export setting" right within Aperture one day?
This is what e.g. Bibble offers in this respect:
In this case post processing is similar to an unsharpen mask filter setting.
I edited my message after I have seen the artifacts appearing in the preview images.

Howto: Make Edge Sharpen etc. part of the default HUD

Hi all,
To make the new Edge Sharpen control part of the standard HUD:
0) Quit Aperture
1) Go to Library/Application Support/Aperture
2) Copy the file AdjustmentsDefaults.plist to a safe location
3) Open the original AdjustmentsDefaults.plist file by double clicking it. This should launch the Property List Editor with the file loaded
4) Unfold the Properties List nodes
5) Select the last entry in the plist (the one named 5)
6) Click on "New Sibling" in the toolbar
7) Enter RKProSharpenOperation as the value
8) Quit Property List Editor
9) Restart Aperture and enjoy your customized HUD!
Other operations that appear to work are
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RKStraightenCropOperation (Straighten)
RKCropOperation (Crop)
RKDustRemovalOperation (Spot and Patch)
RKChannelMixerOperation (Monochrome Mixer)
RKNoiseReductionOperation (Noise Reduction)
RKSharpenOperation (Sharpen)
Sepia and Color Monochrome seem to be handled by parameterized versions of RKImageOperation and I haven't experimented with adding these.
As always; perform experiments like this with care!
Kind regards

that one is already a default ... at least it was for
me after upgrading to 1.5 ...
maybe someone who has the plist in front of them can
give the exact, or else i will when i get home ...
My face is FF0000!! You are right, it is there. I don't believe it was before 1.5 and I missed it.
Thanks!

Edge sharpening and noise: your settings?

I am experimenting with edge sharpening. I have a couple of questions.
1. How to lift and stamp JUST the edge sharpening? From the HUD it looks like all the adjustment settings get applied? (Do I need to do anything else but highlight the edge sharpening in the HUD before stamping)?
2. What do you like for portraits as a setting in edge sharpening?
3. What settings for noise reduction? My latest shoot has all kinds of noise (concert photography) due to 1600 ISO.
Any advice welcome here! Thanks so much!

1. All the settings under Adjustments will be stamped, at this point is not possible to select only one adjustment. If you are gonna apply the same settings to few images you can untick the boxes of the adjustments you don't want to copy to other images, then lift the adjustments (only those with the box ticked will be lifted) and stamp it to the others.
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Is there any optimal adjustment for Edge Sharpening?

When I mostly worked with PS I used an adjustment for sharpening portraits and another one for landscapes.
I wonder if someone could tell me a general good value for ·Edge Sharpening" with these two options working with Aperture.
Best regards.
iMac Intel Duo 2 Core Mac OS X (10.4.8)

I've saved several settings from which I select:
(weak) 50/33/66, 50/33/99, 50/50/99, 50/66/99 and 66/66/99 (strong).
Generally, on high ISO shots, I use weaker sharpening than on low ISO shots. Portraits also usually want less sharpening than, say, landscapes.
Otherwise I have no real rule of thumb. Depends on the image. I play with the sliders (which work quite well these days on my old G4 powerbook, as long as I don't have shadows / highlights enabled - thanks for that, Joe and team!) until I'm happy in this order: first the top slider, then the second one, and finally the third one.
Cheers,
Karl
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Thanks William.
My question was not primarily, whether you use the defaults for edge sharpen.
Let's explain it a bit more detailed:
Almost all pictures from DSLRs need sharpening to some extend. That basic sharpening usually is done in the RAW converter and can be adjusted with the RAW fine tuning since Aperture 1.1
Since Aperture 1.5 we have the new edge sharpen tool, which is said to give much better results than the old sharpen tool. Looking at the sliders I assume, the sharpening in the RAW fine tuning is done with the same algorithm that is used in the old sharpen tool.
So my idea was, whether it is probably better to trim down or even disable the sharpening in the RAW fine tuning and instead batch apply a small amount of edge sharpen to all my picture. Then tweak the edge sharpen on those pictures that need it.
So far my approach is to use the sharpening in the RAW converter usually set to the Apple default and additionally apply edge sharpen for individual pictures, if I think they need it.
Peter

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I did see the J stacked in the lower left of the thumbnails but couldn't figure out how to get to whatever is below it.   How do you select R?
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"Falloff" in edge sharpen...

Is it me, is it my old eyes... Or does the "falloff" slider in edge sharpen not appear to do that much?
I think I'm having some confusion with the edge sharpening in general... If I understand correctly, you should move the first slider all the way to the right, then the second slider to the right until the edges are sharp without introducing sharpening the noise, then the falloff slider (That I can't see doing anything) then back off the first slider to below .50? Is that correct?

And thus the confusion. From the Aperture User Manual (page 462):
*To sharpen an image*:
1 In the Edge Sharpen area of the Adjustments inspector or the Adjustments pane of
the Inspector HUD, +*set the Intensity slider to the maximum value*+ to see the effect of
the operation.
2 Adjust the +*Edges slider so you can see which parts of the image are being sharpened*+.
If possible, adjust the Edges slider so that edges are sharpened, but noise and texture
in the image are not affected.
3 Adjust the Falloff slider so that the edge sizes you want sharpened the most are
accentuated.
4 *+Decrease the Intensity parameter value+* until the sharpening effect is appropriately
subtle. +*Values below 0.5 usually work best*+.
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