Baseline Shift Missing?

Hi,
I'm using Illustrator CS5 on Mac OS X 6.6 but can't seem to find the option to move certain text up or down. I tried the leading with no response so I tried looking for the baseline shift but can't find it in Illustrator. I keep summoning the character panel but still no option for it. I tried copy and paste text from InDesign but it keeps creating outlines. Does Illustrator not have a baseline shift property?

Use the flyout menu (small triangle, upper right of the Character panel) and choose Show Options. 4 more windows will appear, one of which is the baseline shift.

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How to fix faux subscripts/superscripts made with baseline shifts

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There is a script on the forums used to convert locally formatted styles to character styles – Preserve Local Formatting script and CS4
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The script searches for attributes such as "superscript", "subscript", "small capitals". If small caps are faked in the document with capitals in a smaller font, the script will not find them. If superscript or subscript are faked in the document with a smaller font size and some baseline shift, the script will not find them.
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Colin

@Rob: Perhaps I should have given some background for what I was trying to do.
I have a client who is importing dozens of pages of simple chemical equations from microsoft word and it is in the word file that the baseline shift method of creating subs/supers was done. What my client wanted to do was import the text without losing important appearance details such as this, and bolds/italics, but then be able to assign his own paragraph styles without faux sub/supers returning to a regular style. My procedure to the client was to:
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Run the default "findchangebylist.jsx" to remove any double spaces, tabs etc.
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This was working well until we both noticed H2SO4 did not have the numbers as subs, even though the word file clearly did. Closer inspection on the word file showed that the subscript button was not toggled, but the baseline shift had been, hence why the preptext script had missed a key piece of formatting.
With the preptext script, items that had subscript and superscript locally applied to the text would now be assigned "Sub" and "Super" character styles, and from there I agree - the more discerning typesetter could to into the character style and make the apperance of the said subs/supers more appealing. I believe a way of using the opentype subs/supers would be to replace the words SUBSCRIPT and SUPERSCRIPT in the said script to be OT_SUBSCRIPT or OT_SUPERSCRIPT respectively, provided an opentype font was being used for the formatting.
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Edited by: kishan P on Nov 8, 2010 9:42 AM

Yes I did.
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DATA:
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CHANGING
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