Calculation in Cost Base COPA

Dear COPA Expert,
Condition Type: PXXX ($590)- Overridden price at the store
Condition Type: PBEW ($600) - List Price
In COPA, I would like to calculate Price Override Amount = PBEW ($600) - PXXX ($590) = $10 and show as "Price Override Discount".
Is it possible to perform such calculation in COPA?
This calculation is possible in SD using ABAP routine, however, due to performance concern of posting billing document (we have so many billing documents generated per hour), if possible, I would like to perform this calculation in COPA.
Best Regards,
Kimiko

Hello Kimiko,
Through KFS its pretty possible. Check the below link for more info.
http://scn.sap.com/docs/DOC-46917
Regards
Raj

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