Camera Raw vs Lightroom Color Spaces

I photographed RAW image of a Gregtag color target with my Nikon D300 and opened it in camera raw in the ProPhoto Color space and adjusted the develop sliders so that the tone squares on the bottom row matched the ProPhoto values, (e.g approx 238,189,144,103,66,37) and ran the Robert Fors calibration script.
So far so good. I have read that all one needs to do is use the same settings in Lightroom. But when I opened the exact same RAW file in Lightroom and use the exact same develop and calibration settings that I used in ACR, it gives different values for the tone squares. And in fact the values are almost exactly the values for Adobe RGB (e.g. approx 242,200,159,121,84,53). And when I open that file in Photoshop from Lightroom using the ProPhoto color space option the value stay at the same Adobe RGB levels within the ProPhoto color space.
What am I missing/doing wrong?

the values in lightroom are not based on prophotoRGB, but on a prophotoRGB-derived space with the same primaries but with a sRGB tone curve. Since adobeRGB has almost the same tonecurve as sRGB, your values came out close. Bottomline is that the values do not correspond to the ppRGB values in ACR.

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