Can't install Tiger on Yikes - kind of weird

I've had people trying to help me with this over at macosx.com, and so far no luck. Maybe you guys can figure this one out.
I have a Yikes G4, 512MB RAM, 40GB hardrive, DVD-ROM, right now running OS 9.2.2. I've run everything from OS 8.6 through 10.2.8 on this computer. I'm trying to install Tiger, but I'm having a problem.
When I put the Tiger disk in, I get the "resart to install" dialog box. I hit the restart button, the computer restarts, gives the normal chime, then nothing. Black screen, I can see it access the DVD drive for a few seconds, then it just sits there. The computer is on, it doesn't shut down, but it never gets to the point where the moniter comes on.
If I restart and hold the C key, same thng happens, black screen. The computer will not finish booting unless I restart and get the Tiger DVD out of the drive before the computer looks for it. Then it boots from the hard drive normally. Can't hold Option key for Startup Manager, not supported on the Yikes. Can't use Startup Disk Control panel to choose Tiger, same thing happens, black screen. Can't use Target Disk Mode, not supported on Yikes.
The DVD drive is a stock Apple DVD-ROM originally out of a Sawtooth model. The Yikes will boot from an OS 9 CD, and just for the heck of it, I tried my Jaguar grey system specific DVD from my TiBook, and it boots with that DVD no problem, too. It PLAYS the Tiger DVD no problem, just will not boot from it.
Here's what I've tried so far, not necessarily in this order:
1. Reset PMU.
2. Reset PRAM.
3. Removed Apple factory stock Adaptec 2930 SCSI card.
4. Removed 3rd party RAM, stole Apple stock 256MB stick out of Sawtooth to bring it back up to 512MB.
5. Checked for firmware updates, Yikes doesn't need one.
6. Unplugged ethernet.
7. Unplugged everything but moniter, keyboard, mouse.
8. Checked hard drive with Disk Utility from OS 9 and Jaguar disks, drive appears okay.
I tried different DVDs in different computers to make sure they do work. Yikes will boot from Jaguar DVD and OS 9 CD, so it is a bootable drive. Tiger DVD will boot (and install, family pack) from DVD both the TiBook and the Sawtooth, so my Tiger disk seems fine. It is the retail (universal) black Tiger DVD.
I can't find this specific problem in the knowledge base or searching the forums. And I seem to have stumped the folks over at macosx.com. Anybody have any ideas that I haven't tried yet?
TiBook 1Ghz, 1GB RAM Matshita UJ-845S 8x Dual Layer; Sawtooth w/1.2 GHz owc upgrade, Yikes, etc. Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Hi TMM,
The Tiger DVD is the black boxed retail universal version. It's not a grey system-specific version. (However, the Yikes will boot from a grey system-specific DVD for my TiBook. Go figure).
I knew for OS X I didn't need a firmware upgrade, but someone suggested that maybe there could be an older upgrade (this computer came with OS 8.6). I didn't find anything like that.
This Mac meets all the requirements for Tiger. All external devices and ethernet have been disconnected. Removed all third party RAMI just . I even removed the stock PCI SCSI card factory installed by Apple. Everything else is stock. No other cards, no processor upgrades. (However, I have a heavily modded Sawtooth that boots to this Tiger DVD no problem. Three hard drives, one of them running from an ATA PCI card, 5 port USB PCI card, 16x Dual Layer DVD burner, and OWC 1.3GHz processor upgrade...go figure again.)
I just ran out yesterday and got a new battery to see if that would help. Reset PMU and PRAM again after it was installed, no difference.
I'm pretty familiar with the installation instructions, but I've gone back over them just in case. There's no mention of anything like this. Like I said before, this seems to have stumped the folks over at macosx.com, too. I'm beginning to think there's some weird little quirk in this particular machine.
Thanks for trying, though!
TiBook 1Ghz, 1GB RAM Matshita UJ-845S 8x Dual Layer; Sawtooth w/1.2 GHz owc upgrade, Yikes, etc. Mac OS X (10.2.x)
TiBook 1Ghz, 1GB RAM Matshita UJ-845S 8x Dual Layer; Sawtooth w/1.2 GHz owc upgrade, Yikes, etc. Mac OS X (10.2.x)

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