Changing GB to Indian Classical Music scale?

Does anyone know of GB plugins that will let me work with Indian classical music scales? (E.g. the "Pa" note of Indian music is slightly sharper than the "G" of Western music, etc.)?
BTW, there is a nice article on Indian notes vs. Western notes at http://www.perfectthird.com.
Thanks..
[IndiSoft]
MacMini Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Welcome to the forum.
I don't think such a thing exists. The closest you could come to this in GB that I can think of is to use the limited pitch shifting capabilities of GB on different tracks to get parts of the scale in each track. Then you'd have to divide up what you are playing between the different tracks so they would be in the right pitch. This would be a huge pain in the @ss, so I wouldn't advise it.
However, there is nothing stopping you from recording real instruments using the Indian scale. There is no restrictions for real audio, just the limits of your imagination....
Oh, and welcome to the forum.
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