Color Management in FW CS4?

Seems I read an interesting article recently on the subject
of color management in Illustrator and how its lacking in FW
constitutes a major oversight and flaw in the application. Will cs4
be implementing something in the way of AI? (Though certainky the
latter program developed this in response to print media
demands?...)

Linda Rathgeber wrote:
> Paevo Kelley wrote:
>> Seems I read an interesting article recently on the
subject of color
>> management in Illustrator and how its lacking in FW
constitutes a
>> major oversight and flaw in the application.
>
> I disagree with that. Since browsers cannot read color
profiles, and
> Fireworks was developed specifically for Web graphics,
then color
> management would be kind of pointless.
>
It's not even a question of browsers understanding color
profiles. How
many users out there calibrate and balance their monitors?
Color
profiles are great for a controlled reproduction process like
commercial
printing. But that's the key - it's a monitored and
controlled
environment. We have no control over the user's monitor
settings.
Now if the concern is how FW handles the color of a file that
is in
another color mode (CMYK or LAB for example), the new FW beta
seems to
be handling color better. It still converts them to RGB.
There is still
a difference in a CMYK file opened in FW (seems to be mostly
in
saturation and contrast), when compared with the same file in
PS, but
the LAB file I tested seemed pretty darn close in both app's,
if not
identical.
HTH
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