Color space of embedded files

Is there a way to determine the color space of a file that is embedded in Illustrator?

Usually an embedded file is the same color space as the AI file.
Only when you open a PDF generated elsewhere this might also be something like multichannel.

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The Organizer does not support the color space in the file

I just purchased and installed PSE 8 as an upgrade to PSE 6. My catalog correctly shows all of my existing images. However, when I try to import photos into the Organizer, I get a message that nothing was imported. The reason given is that "The Organizer does not support the color space in the file." This happens with photos taken on my iPhone as well as those from my Canon PowerShot A1100 IS. Any suggestions?
Here is my system information:
Elements Organizer 8.0.0.0
Core Version: 8.0 (20090905.r.605812)
Language Version: 8.0 (20090905.r.605812)
Current Catalog:
Catalog Name: My Catalog
Catalog Location: C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/Adobe/Elements Organizer/Catalogs/My Catalog
Catalog Size: 83.9MB
Catalog Cache Size: 459.8MB
System:
Operating System Name: XP
Operating System Version: 5.1 Service Pack 3
System Architecture: AMD CPU Family:15 Model:11 Stepping:1 with MMX, SSE Integer, SSE FP
Built-in Memory: 2GB
Free Memory: 829MB
Important Drivers / Plug-ins / Libraries:
Microsoft DirectX Version: 9.0
Apple QuickTime Version: 7.65
Adobe Reader Version: 9.2
Adobe Acrobat Version: Not installed
CD and DVD drives:
J: (SONY DVD BUS: 3 ID: 3 Firmware: RW)

It turns out that this problem went away after the program crashed. Everything seems to be working well now.

Color Space Problems w/ Files?

I use Lightroom 2.5 to manage my photos. There are several things I don't understand regarding embedded color spaces in files.
When I export a file from LR to Photoshop CS4 as a TIF in the Adobe RGB color space the file shows as "Uncalibrated" in the EXIF & XMP metadata.
Using PS CS4, if I save a JPG file from the above Adobe RGB TIF file, and then use the edit -> convert to profile function, with Destination Space -> Adobe RGB selected, toggling the preview check box shows a color shift in the image. If I convert an image to the same color space why is there a color shift?
Is the color profile stored in the EXIF or XMP metadata?
Jack

I can provide some general information on the topic, though I do not use Lightroom so thers may jump in.
Information about color space is contained within the tiff file proper. That is, in a tag (the T in TIFF) and if I am correct it is tag 262 (PhotometricInterpretation). I do not know if LR also puts this info into the metadata.
When you convert a file to jpg you invoke the YCbCr color space and convert your source data into it. That is, the "compression" process also involves a color space change if you did not start out with YCbCr. This could account for the color shift you are seeing.
Paulo

Assigning color space to dng files

I use pe5. I can't assign a color space to my dng files. I have to convert them to jpg or tiff before I print them.
In LR, can I assign color spaces directly to the dng file and thus can I print from the dng file?
Andy

-->The RAW file when printed from LR is in the Pro Photo space Well kind of <g> http://www.ppmag.com/reviews/200701_rodneycm.pdf When using Draft mode, they are sRGB from the thumbnails.

See color profile of embeded file

Hi guys, I would like to know if there is a way to see in illustrator the color mode of a picture (RGB or CMYK) if a picture that is embedded (not a linked file)?

Cool Monika thanks, the problem is that when I try to open the pdf on illustrator the "Convert color mode" warning appears, so I wanted to know if there is a way to know which images are not on cmyk to correct them and make the press ready file.

The availability of color space in RAW, TIFF and JPEG files

This is useful if your new to DSLR photography.
This is Nikon response on my question in the discussion: View photo metadata
I'm assuming that you know that Adobe RGB shows about 50% and sRGB 35% of CIELAB color space.
In a DSLR camera like the Nikon D800 you can select a color space (Adobe RGB or sRGB) in the shooting menu.
In Adobe Lightroom 4.3 the RAW metadata shows no color space info. Therefore I asked why not?
In the (Dutch) Nikon D800 manual on page 84 (about RAW) and 274 (about color space) and Nikon FAQ website there is no descripton about the color space availability/behavior in RAW, JPEG and TIFF files.
In the book "Mastering the Nikon D800 by Darrel Young" on page 125 - 126 is written: "If you shoot in RAW format a lot, you may want to consider using Adobe RGB....."
All experts on this forum answered: color space does not apply/affect the RAW data file or RAW files have no color space.
The respone of Nikon Europe Support (Robert Vermeulen) was: In Nikon D800 NEF RAW files both color spaces (Adobe RGB and sRGB) are always physically available. In JPEG and TIFF files only the in the shooting menu selected color space is physically available. So the forum experts gave the correct answer!
Of course you can convert afterwards a JPEG or TIFF file with sRGB color space to Adobe RGB but you don't get more colors.
When you install the Microsoft Camera Codec Pack or FastPictureViewer Codec Pack they only show color space metadata for JPEG and TIFF files and nothing for RAW because color space "doesn't exist". I thought the codec packs removed the color space metadata for my RAW files.
Adobe Lightroom also can not show color space for RAW files because that "doesn't exist".

Van-Paul wrote:
The respone of Nikon Europe Support (Robert Vermeulen) was: In Nikon D800 NEF RAW files both color spaces (Adobe RGB and sRGB) are physically available. In JPEG and TIFF files only the in the shooting menu selected color space is physically available.
I still think this is an evasive answer that doesn't really pinpoint the exact chain of events that take place. They are:
1. The raw file contains the naked data captured by the sensor. This is just a very dark grayscale image.
2. In the raw converter it is encoded into a working color space to process the information. In Lightroom this is known as "Melissa RGB", or linear gamma Prophoto. It is also demosaiced to bring back the color information.
3. From Lightroom it can be exported to one of the familiar color spaces like sRGB or Adobe RGB. This is, in principle at least, a normal profile conversion.
These three steps are what the camera does to produce a jpeg. So the basic steps are the same, the camera is just doing it automatically (and usually butchering the image in the process...).
This Darrell Young is, I'm sure, an excellent photographer, but in this he is seriously confused and just propagating a common myth. Anyway, thanks for bringing up this discussion, hope you didn't object too much to the tone of the answers... Our only concern here was to get this right and with no room for misunderstanding.

Color space in file?

has anyone seen this error message, 'Organizer does not support color space in the file'? Pls help

Elements does RGB, sRGB, Adobe RGB, index, grayscale. It doesn't do CMYK, LAB, etc.

For P.O.D. Printing: How to Set Adobe RGB Color Space

Hello and thanks in advance,
(I'm using InDesign CS 5.5 on a Mac.)
I need to set the proper PDF export settings
For printing a book on demand, with color drawings inside on the text pages.
The onnly instructions that I have been able to find, say this:
"Submit your graphics in the Adobe RGB color space, withprofile embedded."
The Big Question: How do I do that ?
I know enough to start with
File --> Adobe PDF Presets --> Press Quality
Then I click on the "Output Menu"
and here's where I start to get lost.
for
Color Conversion ...
I think I should select "Convert to Destination"
for
Destination
I think it should be "Adobe RGB (1998)"
Now in order to embed this profile,
What should I select under:
Profile Inclusion Policy ?
And is there anything else I should be doing to get these inside color images printing nicely ?
Thanks again,
IthacaAuthor (aka ZorbaTheGeek, but the forum would not let me log in with my old screen name)

Virtually all digital printing is done via either PostScript or PDF. In the former case, the PDF is converted to PostScript viat use of Acrobat and in the latter case, the PDF is sent directly to the digital printer.
In either case, CMYK is in fact the actual destination color space. There are no real RGB printers!!! What is true is that non-PostScript / non-PDF printers (typically low end laser and inkjet printers as well as specialized inkjet and dye sublimation photo printers) do take in RGB via drivers and convert that to CMYK, but I don't believe that is what you are dealing with.
Our recommendation at Adobe for best printing results, whether for offset or digital printing, is to export PDF as PDF/X-4 with no color conversion using the default CMYK color space (SWOP CMYK) or if instructed otherwise by your print service provider, one of the other CMYK color spaces provided by Adobe or by the print service provider themselves. FWIW, most on-demand digital print devices do have settings to fully emulate SWOP CMYK printing conditions. Using PDF/X-4 in this manner allows the existing color content in your InDesign document to be properly tagged in the output PDF file and converted to CMYK at the digital printing device's RIP.
(It might also assist us if you can provide a pointer to the explicit instructions provided by your print service provider.)
- Dov

Photoshop 7.0 - Problem Retaining Original Color Space After Export

I just registered for this forum & would appreciate your input.
I convert Canon RAW files to jpgs & always embed the sRGB color profile & color space in the converted files.. Once I open & edit one of these files in Photoshop 7.0 & save it, the color space is changed to Abobe RGB. I have tried many changes via Edit > Color Settings, but still the same results. I thought that the settings preset "Web Graphics sRGB Color Space" would do the trick - but it doesn't.
If I go to Image > Mode > Convert to Profile & select sRGB for both source space and destination space for an opened jpg file, the sRGB color space is embedded in the saved file - even after reopening in PS, editing, and re-saving. Must I do this for each jpg I edit?
Please educate me how to set PS so all exported files either retain the sRGB color space or have PS embed the sRGB color space upon export.
Thank you.

This is of course, an issue of permissions so there may be no solution.
Absolutely not. Don't jump to false premature conclusions. As Noel said, it solely depends on detecting a previous install/ verifying the install media. Since the latter is out of the question, the first would be way to go, the point being that it merely looks for the respective registry keys in HKEY_Local_Machine\Software\Adobe. Lucky for you, back then nobody cared to encrypt such stuff so it could be hacked in manually. Off hand I'm just not aware of the specific structure for the keys, though, but a little digging might turn up that info. In fact it would be almost identical to the ones for PS 7, which might already linger there just lacking the proper vlaues...
Mylenium

What color space is it?

I soft proofed in sRGB in LR4 to be printed in SRGB, mistakenly exported in RGB, sent files over the web (which I assume get converted to sRGB over the internet) to where they are to be printed in sRGB. Do I need to go back to step 2 and export out of Lightroom 4 with sRGB? Have I lost something in all the conversions from sRGB to RGB to sRGB?

There is a misunderstanding: Images on webpages are often / mostly in sRGB color space. But that is so because the images are put on the internet in sRGB - the internet does no conversion. Wether you send a file by e-mail, or by FTP transfer, the image file will arrive at its destination with the color space the sender has embedded.
You do not loose anything by exporting a file. Exporting in Lr means creating a copy of the image file with the Lr edits written into the pixels, and at the size and with the color space you specify. But the exported image is a copy; your original does not change at all.
I wouldn't worry too much about the color space for the file you are sending to the printer, unless you know for sure that they will honor the color space you embedded.
Most printers don't and just print sRGB.

ACR 4.1 Color space(s)

Windows XP Bridge CS3
ACR 3.7 and previous used to give the option to convert to various colour spaces (profiles I always get confused here).
I've noticed that my Canon raw files show up in bridge as "colour mode RGB"
If I edit in ACR4.1 and save; they show up as "colour mode RGB and colour profile Adobe RGB" which is the color space of the camera (20D).
Files that I have previosly edited in lightroom (ACR 4) show up as "pro photo RGB"
I have my colour space in photoshop set to pro photo RGB so lightroom edited files open without a mismatch whereas files edited in ACR4.1 in bridge produce a colour space mismatch.
Am I missing something? or has the behavior of ACR changed in this respect since the comming of version 4?

It sounds like you have Camera Raw set to Adobe RGB. You can change that to Pro Photo RGB.
Along the bottom of the Camera Raw dialog box there should be a link that lists the color space, bit depth, file size, and resolution. Click on that change the Space from Adobe RGB to ProPhoto RGB.

What Color Space to choose for viewing jpegs on a monitor

After reading many webpages and watching many tutorial videos about which color space to use, I get odd results. I understand that sRGB is more for web applications, and that Adobe RGB 1998 has a wider gamut, and that ProPhoto has the widest gamut of colors, particularly helpful with printing.
However, in LR 4, when I export to jpeg as sRGB, Adobe RGB, and ProPhoto, the differences are very noticeable. sRGB looks the most vibrant, Adobe RGB looks flat, and ProPhoto looks dark with a greenish cast. I expected ProPhoto to look best, or is that only for printing, and I have to process differently?
What am I misunderstanding here? TIA.

It depends on three factors:
1. The monitor - normal, which means with a gamut close to sRGB, or "wide gamut" with a gamut that approaches Adobe RGB (and today there are plenty of medium priced "wide gamut" monitors).
2. The viewing application and whether it is color managed. In a nutshell, color management translates the image color numbers to eqivalent color numbers in the monitor's color space.
3. Whether the monitor is calibrated and profiled. In order for color management to work properly the application must know what the image's color space is (embedded profile) and what the monitor's space is (monitor profile). Any display on the monitor is always in the monitor space, but in order for the display to be accurate the translation must be made.
If all three conditions are fulfilled, alll images, no matter what their spaces are, will be displayed more or less the same because they have all been translated to the same display space. I say "more or less" because if the image is in a wide space that needs to be compressed to fit in the monitor space, there may be slight differences in the way colors that are out-of-gamut for the monitor are rendered, but the differences are slight.
Without those three factors, only images in the space closest to your monitor's native space will be properly displayed. So if you have a "normal" monitor, choose sRGB and if you have a "wide gamut" monitor, go with Adobe RGB, but keep in mind that other people with "normal" monitors and without color managed browsers/viewers will not see it properly.

Color space/profile name

I have some pictures that don't show a thumbnail in iPhoto. The info dialog for them says the Color Space is "Gray" and the Profile name is "Gr?skala - gamma 2,2". If I double-click on of these the enlarged image seems somewhat faded. The picture looks fine if I just view it directly in Preview, or ColorSync Utility. It seems most pictures have a Color Space of RGB, how to I change the Color Space of these files to RGB?

Justin:
Download the Automator application "Embed sRGB Profile" from Toad's Cellar and unzip it. Then locate the original files for those problem images and drop them on it. Next launch iPhoto with the Command+Option keys depressed and follow the instructions to rebuild the library and select the first three options. This should get those images compatible with iPhoto.
Do you Twango?
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.
I've written an Automator workflow application (requires Tiger), iPhoto dB File Backup, that will copy the selected Library6.iPhoto file from your iPhoto Library folder to the Pictures folder, replacing any previous version of it. You can download it at Toad's Cellar. Be sure to read the Read Me pdf file.

Changing color spaces/profiles

How do I change the color profile of files that were processed using ProPhoto color space to sRGB? Thanks in advance.

Thanks Lundberg02. So if I want to change the color space of some files from ProPhoto to sRGB for web use, I should be converting and not assigning the color space, correct?

Which color space to save still images for FCP?

When saving still images as TIFF files to be brought into FCP, what color space should the files be saved in? The Adobe color space or SRGB, or other?
Thanks.

sRGB/JPEG is the best because all the color information is encoded in the actual image when you create a JPEG, as JPEGs don't carry color space information with them, like .PSD and .TIFF do.
As for sRGB, that is as close as there is to a universal color space for monitors, and you are least likely to find a surprise when you check across many monitors. The tradeoff is a reduced color gamut if you display on a well calibrated broad gamut monitor.
The gamma matters all the way through, if you want what you see in Photoshop to match what you see on a calibrated display monitor. The newest Photoshop, and Lightroom, use a native gamma of 2.2, which matches all video displays (not computer displays). If you generate JPEGs from them, they will have a gamma of 2.2. You then need to import them into FCP with a gamma of 2.2 for the interpretation. If you go directly to DVD from there, all is fine. If you go to a Quicktime movie, you need to know what the codec you plan to use will do. ProRes maintains the existing gamma, H.264 lightens up to 1.8, as does animation. I haven't characterized the others.

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