Control Surfaces and Native Plugins

I have a Novation RemoteZero SL and, though I can access basic volume and pan, and I can control plugins from other companies where Novation has set up "AutoMap", I can't control Logic's own plugins! It won't learn them or control them in any way. This is a known issue for Novation, but what of other controllers?
Are there any controllers that easily control Logic's effects like the eq banks, compressors, etc? This seems bonehead basic, but I can't find any info on this topic here or in other discussions.
Thanks.

The Mackie Control support lets you edit all parameters of instuments and effects plugins. If you don't have a Mackie Control, you can also use John Pitcairn's LCXmu, which acts as a virtual Logic Control translator between your controller and Logic.
I have a Korg microKontrol running with LCXmu, and it's excellent, way better than Logic'a native mK support, and you can access all instrument & plugin parameters, with the names coming up on the mK screens etc.
Have a look at LCXmu at OpusLocus and see whether your hardware is a directly supported device. Even if it isn't, you can still use it, you just have to set up some manual mapping stuff, depending on what buttons etc you have on your controller.
Otherwise, you are back to manually assigning parameters using Logic's controller assignments - but they are buggy.
I have to say that LCXmu has completely solved all controller issues I had using the micoKontrol as a little portable controller. It's ace.

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Control surface and interface at the same time

Is it possible to plug in a control surface and an interface at the same time? My plan is to use a Mackie Control Universal Pro (USB) for my control surface and a Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 IO Firewire Interface for monitor use during mixing. Will Logic Pro 9 allow me to do this?

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Info please...control surface and mixer for fcp and audio recording

i'm looking for a control surface for final cut pro and also xlr/line inputs for recording guitar and vocals in cubase or audacity.
read all the info here after numerous searches. still some questions.
was looking at the tascam 1082 but not sure of the build quality...i saw one and it looked a bit cheaply built. the two demos at guitar center were falling apart. didn't look nearly as well built as the mackie. also i have been reading here and elsewhere about bugs/problems etc.
was looking at the m-audio...not sure about that one...$1250...
was also looking at mackie control surface...but no firewire...how do you hook it up to a mac? also no audio inputs. what would i need to buy to work in conjunction with that for recording audio? if i bought the mackie, i'd still have to buy an audio inpur device and that would end up costing as much as the m audio.
i know i could just buy a mixer for recording and forget the control surface...i already have a shuttle pro which works fine and i have gotten used to using the mixer in fcp...no problems. but the motorized faders on a control surface sure would be nice
so questions:
how does the mackie connect to a mac and what other device(s) would i need to record audio and how would they hook up...would they play nice together?
ppl who own the tascam...happy with it? used the mic and line preamps? are they noisy?
do i need an additional firewire bus reguardless of which control surface i get?
how does one route the audio for these when in fcp? i currently route my audio through my dsr 11 deck. will the control surface just go through firewire or would i have to actually jack into the control surface with additional cables and have to remove my present cables from my speakers everytime i want to use the control surface?
sorry so many questions. it's really tough to make an informed decision in buying something if you don't understand the mechanics of it.
btw, appreciate the info so far that i found doing my searches.
thanks
carl

I've got the Tascam FW1082 and I absolutely love it. I can't believe I ever edited without it. I'm considering upgrading to the 1884 in the future.
As for the mic preamps, they sound great. Nice and clean. There's no such thing as a line preamp, but the line inputs are clean as well.
For routing, I go to the 1082 via firewire until I turn on my external video monitor, at which point I send both video & audio to the deck and route the audio from the deck into a pair of the mixer's analog inputs. That way you avoid the delay of external monitoring. The 1082 allows you to listen to both the computer & the inputs at the same time, so switching back and forth is seamless.
As for durability, I've had it out on a few location recordings, but most of the time it's on my desk. It's still in mint condition. I'm sure if it was on a display where any 10 year old could come mess with it, it wouldn't be in as great of shape, but then again, a Neve console wouldn't look that great if every little brat that walked in the door could play with it. If you take care of your stuff, you'll have no issues with this mixer.

Digidesign Command 8 control surface with Logic?

Does anyone have any experience getting a Command 8 to function as a control surface for Logic Pro 7? I'm really having trouble finding any information on it and I could really use some help. I'd appreciate any input or suggestions. Thanks,
-Jeff

Although it may have a standalone mode, it's not emulating any particular controller, such as the Logic Control or Mackie HUI protocols. It may send MIDI control messages that Logic can pick up (my Trigger Finger can do that as well). However, unless Logic sees the right ID from the Command 8 (whether in native or emulation mode), it won't recognize it as a control surface and send messages back and forth with it, thus not being able to take advantage of things like the display and motorized faders.
It looks like the Command 8 and the ProjectMix I/O look rather similar (yes, I know that Digidesign and M-Audio are owned by the same parent company).
jord

Which control surface do you use, would like to use or have used for audio?

I am shopping control surfaces for mixing audio in Premiere Pro CC. I am buying used so I would sure like to get it right the first time. I am looking for feedback from those who have used a control surface as well as those who have just looked around. I have searched high and low for information from Premiere Pro users but have found very little. Even the Audition folks have not shared much information about experiences with audio control surfaces.
Here are some consoles I've looked at but cannot determine compatibility (due to lack of information):
Mackie Control Universal MCU Pro 8
Digidesign Command 8
Digidesign Digi 002 Pro Tools Console
M-Audio ProjectMix I/O Control Surface
Icon QCon Pro USB Midi Controller Station
Behringer B-Control Fader BCF2000
Radikal Technologies SAC 2.2 DAW controller
Avid Artist Mix Control 8 Fader Euphonix DAW Mixing Control Surface
Tascam FW-1884 Firewire Control Surface
Tascam FW-1082 Firewire Control Surface
CM Labs Motormix
CM Labs Motormix 2
CM Labs MotorMate
Novation ZeRO SL MkII MIDI DAW Control Surface
Nektar Panorama P1 USB Midi DAW Control Surface
Alesis Master Control
If you have experience with any of these consoles, or have any to add to the list, specifically with Premiere Pro, please leave a note here. I believe there will be others who will check this discussion looking for the same answers as I. Documentation of these control surfaces is very thin when it coms to discovering if they are MCU or EUCON protocol (or other) - and even if I was able to discern a flavor I still do not know which features will work in Premiere, such as transport controls, faders, plug-in modifiers, et al.
So I guess my goal here is to come up with a list of work/don't work features for each of these control surfaces and more so we can make informed bang for the buck decisions. My budget for a used control surface is $300-400, but I'd be willing to go to $500-600 or more if the features/integration were significantly better.
Thanks!

Here is the list with the responses I have received from the manufacturers, (3) so far.
Mackie Control Universal MCU Pro 8
The MCU Pro uses three different types of MIDI operating protocols (Mackie Control, HUI, and Logic Control). We have not tested the MCU Pro here in Tech Support with Premiere Pro. You will want to contact Adobe directly to see if they support the Mackie Control, HUI or Logic Control protocols with the Premiere Pro software. It is up to the manufacture of the software on how well these MIDI operating protocols are implemented into the software. With contacting Adobe directly you will be able to see what control surfaces are supported with their software.
Digidesign Command 8
Digidesign Digi 002 Pro Tools Console
M-Audio ProjectMix I/O Control Surface
The Project Mix I/O is a discontinued product. However, it should work properly with basically any DAW program. I can't speak to specifically Premiere Pro, but we have a few customers who use that combination and those customers report it works just fine.
Icon QCon Pro USB Midi Controller Station
Behringer B-Control Fader BCF2000
Thank you for your email! Yes, you are able to use the BCF2000 to control Adobe Pro CC. YOu will need to program the controller into Mackie Emulation mode. Mackie Emulation will allow full functionality within your software. Attached you will find a PDF showing each emulation mode. Here are a few informative links explaining setup and application:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1286249
http://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/control-surface-support.html
The former will provide a better understanding of connectivity.
Radikal Technologies SAC 2.2 DAW controller
Avid Artist Mix Control 8 Fader Euphonix DAW Mixing Control Surface
Tascam FW-1884 Firewire Control Surface
Tascam FW-1082 Firewire Control Surface
CM Labs Motormix
CM Labs Motormix 2
CM Labs MotorMate
Novation ZeRO SL MkII MIDI DAW Control Surface
Nektar Panorama P1 USB Midi DAW Control Surface
Alesis Master Control

Any Video Control Surface Recommendations?

Hi Guys,
It's been some time since i've posted here i must admit, but i had a quick question and i'd appreciate some opinions!
I have been editing videos for individual and corporate clients for a while now, and have been utilising logic etc to record some of my own soundtracks - but i now feel that a video/audio control surface would help streamline my workflow (an expensive luxury though!)--- and i wondered if you had any recommendations / advice?
Note: I haven't had the need to really look into the hardware control surfaces, and googling has brought me to the Mackie MCU Pro, Tascam FW-1082 and an Alesis one... but they are a little out of my minds price-range (though not the pocket if reaallly persuaded)
Many thanks,
Adam

Shane, thanks for your quick reply! I didn't say they were too expensive... just that in my limited/low knowledge of the things they seemed like an expensive luxury for me - not that they were / were not... i am aware quality costs money (it is why we buy what we buy apple as opposed to pc's etc).
Have you had any experience with the Mackie? it seems like one would just be paying for the name- though undoubtedly it is probably a fantastic piece of kit, the Tascam does seem an equal competitor. Are there any others that you can reccomend/know of? i am struggling with net research- it mainly points me to those two..and a selection of home-user plastic jog wheels etc.
Many thanks,
Adam

Control surface problem with tracks assigned to Rewire channels

I'm using Logic 9 and Reason 4. My control surface is an M-Audio ProjectMix using Mackie emulation.
I have a simple project in Reason with 2 instruments, and a created a simple Logic project. I then created 2 external midi tracks, and then used the library tab to assign them to the Reason devices.
My problem is that, unless I set the control surface to Track, it always shows the rewire objects (and they don't have any controllable properties). This is annoying as they are taking up space on the control surface, and since they are not visible in the mixer in Arrage mode (unless I go to View>Show Other Tracks) I would not expect them to be visible on the control surface. And most annoyingly, whichever rewire object in the mixer is selected, all the rewire channels on the control surface will display that object's name (surely that's not supposed to happen).
Interestingly, if I create either 2 instruments or a multi in the environment, and wire them into the Rewire objects, then set the tracks to point to the instruments, the problem disappears.
This does not sound like correct behaviour to me; can anybody confirm that this is what you would expect?
Thanks,
Adam.
PS. I would guess that it's because Logic treats them, internally, as having the same channel, which is why they can't be individually controlled.

Let's try "disable handshake" in the nucleus remote. You have to restart the nucleus for the change to take effect.
It worked for me!
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Using Yamaha AW2400 as control surface for Logic Pro 9

I am a freelance pro sound engineer currently working as tech support for a local school. They have a Yamaha AW2400 in their studio, something which I have never come across before despite using numerous Yammy desks. They also have a Mac running Lion and Logic Pro 9.
What I want to do is use the desk as a control surface for Logic and record direct to the Mac if possible. I have installed the Yamaha USB-MIDI drivers on the Mac and had the desk running as a device for file transfer (via the USB connection) but everything else is beyond my knowledge of the desk and Logic.
I am a Pro Tools guy so Logic is a bit new to me but I know how to setup a new control surface. and the basic operations.
What I need help with is...
- what control surface to use as there is no preset on the desk for a AW2400
- what port settings to use on Logic
- what TX and RX settings to use on the AW2400
- what Remote Out settings to use on the AW2400
- any other info I may need
Thanks in advance, hope some can help.

See page 204 of the AW2400 User Guide...
http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/pa/english/recorders/aw2400_en_om_b0.pdf
Note: the User Guide says that only LP7 is supported but you never know.. it may work with LP9... Test and see..

Can I use a VS-700C control surface with Logic Pro?

Hi,
Does anybody know if I can use a Roland VS-700C control surface and/or VS-700R audio interface with Logic Pro?
Cheers,
Craig

If it supports the Makie protocol, it might work... but I wouldn't purchase one on that basis without trying it first.

Speedgrade support for MCS-Spectrum, part of MCS-3000 line of control surfaces?

As i get deeper into Speedgrade i am looking for a control surface and i have found some thses available for sale.
I see Cooper has drivers right up to Mavericks - but does Adobe support it? Sorry i have looked everywhere ican and no luck yet.
Thanks

now. I realize that this might sound strange... but is there anything stopping speedgrade from supporting a setup where we just plug in three USB-track-ball mouses/mice?
I have also heard from the folks over at Palette that they are working on a three-trackball setup that should be compatible with Speedgrade (if their developers cross their fingers hard enough). all
I'm just wondering, because. If all I need is 3 track-balls with maybe 3 infinite turn knobs for the gains and maybe custom-buttons... a fully featured Wave or CP200 seems a bit overkill at that point. Yes yes, build-quality. But do I really need all those buttons and lcd screens? Heck. My desk is pretty much crowded to the brim as it is without another half a square-meter of dedicated control-surface that I'll be using maybe a third or fourth of the time.

Issues re Tascam FW-1082 & FW-1884 control surface - integration with FCP

The joint Tascam/Apple release put out in 2005 touting seamless compatibility between these two products (see below) turns out to be a gross exageration. Basic functions are conceivably compatible, but some do not work and there is a paucity of documentation available. The many buttons and controls on the Tascam's control surfaces are rendered useless. The consumer consumer has been wronged and these are not cheap products. Countless similar posts on this site backs me up on this.
I have the Tascam fw-1884, which has the same setup as the 1082. Have any of you been able to assign quick keys on the tascam using the keyboard customization tool in FCP? I've followed the example on Tascam's support site, but it does not seem to work.
Also, looking for more documentation/tutorials/consultants who can help me master all the features of the Tascam with FCP 5.
Thanks,
David
TASCAM interfaces now compatible with Apple®'s
Final Cut® Pro 5 & Soundtrack Pro
MCP (Mackie Control Protocol) onboard Final Cut Pro 5 allows the use of external audio control surfaces to edit and manipulate audio
Montebello, CA—April 16, 2005—TASCAM's full line of FireWire audio control surfaces and interfaces are now compatible with Apple®'s Final Cut Pro 5 and Soundtrack Pro editing software with Apple's unveiling of the Final Cut® Studio production suite that includes the Final Cut Pro® 5 upgrade.
This major upgrade to the Apple's Emmy award-winning software means that Final Cut Pro 5 and Soundtrack Pro are now fully compatible with MCP (Mackie Control Protocol) devices, so you can use external audio control surfaces— including TASCAM's FW-1884 or FW-1082—to edit and manipulate audio more efficiently.
TASCAM's newest audio controller, the FW-1082, has nine motorized faders for adjusting audio levels during mix playback utilizing the revamped software. Editors can turn up a dialog line or reduce the music level during a voiceover section without clicking on breakpoints. Just grab a fader and go! The transport buttons can be used to start and stop playback in any editor that supports the Mackie Control or Mackie HUI. TASCAM's FW-1082 also has a MIDI fader mode that can be used in programs like Apple Motion 2 to adjust parameters in real-time during playback. And since it's an audio interface as well, producers can record voiceover and sound effects right in the edit suite with professional results.
The FW-1082 has four mic inputs, four line ins and S/PDIF digital in and out – all available at 96kHz. It features 10 inputs, including four balanced XLR mic inputs with phantom power. Eight channel strips each feature a 60mm touch-sensitive moving fader and select/solo/mute buttons, and a moving master fader.
For even more I/O and surface control, the FW-1884 offers 18-channels of inputs (eight analog and eight ADAT digital and two S/PDIF coaxial or optical), eight balanced XLR mic/line inputs with high-quality mic preamps and phantom power, plus nine 100mm motorized touch-sensitive faders.
G4 dual processor 1.25mhz Mac OS X (10.4.6) FCP 5.1.1

So after writing this question I closed the laptop, leaving the Tascam on & connected. Returned 30 mins later to see if anyone had replied (where are you all??!!), opened the laptop & the Tascam suddenly springs to lift, faders move & Soft LCD app shows activity correctly.
So, all appears to be OK although I don't really know why...!!

02R96 and other Yamaha control surfaces - break Learn Assignment?

Can someone throw some light on this:
The 02R96 and other Yamaha control surfaces send out this Active Sensing thing, which is just a real, downright nuisance for all kinds of reasons.
1) How am I supposed to get plug-in parameter assignments automatically learnt if the 02R96's active sensing keeps jumping in every second? Logic thinks that's the MIDI message I want to assign to my parameter! There doesn't seem to be a way of telling the learn process to ignore what's going on on a certain MIDI port. Result: can't automate my plug-ins. There seems to be no way of doing it.
2) Another thing about active sensing - you can't get Logic to just shaddup about it if the control surface isn't on. What if I want to keep my 02R96 turned off for some reason? There should be a Disable control surface button or something - anything to prevent having to remove the 02R96 setup entirely from the Logic session! Really not good...any thoughts or insights? (especially on the parameter learning stuff..that's a real show stopper)
Adrian

The Mackie Control support lets you edit all parameters of instuments and effects plugins. If you don't have a Mackie Control, you can also use John Pitcairn's LCXmu, which acts as a virtual Logic Control translator between your controller and Logic.
I have a Korg microKontrol running with LCXmu, and it's excellent, way better than Logic'a native mK support, and you can access all instrument & plugin parameters, with the names coming up on the mK screens etc.
Have a look at LCXmu at OpusLocus and see whether your hardware is a directly supported device. Even if it isn't, you can still use it, you just have to set up some manual mapping stuff, depending on what buttons etc you have on your controller.
Otherwise, you are back to manually assigning parameters using Logic's controller assignments - but they are buggy.
I have to say that LCXmu has completely solved all controller issues I had using the micoKontrol as a little portable controller. It's ace.

Using Logic Pro 9 and Tascam DM-4800. Can't get the Tascam to work as a control surface via firewire... any help would be appreciated! Thanks!

The DM-4800 and Logic see each other, the firewire shows as 'locked' on both. Can pass audio back and fourth, no automation from the Tascam though. I know its either a midi setting or control surface settings... but I'm stumped. Newbie at Logic here. Any ideas what to check? Thanks in advance!

Plug in the usb lead.

Logic 9 and Logic Control Surface

I recently received a Behringer BCF2000 as a gift and have successfully set it up in LC (Logic Control) mode. I'm having an odd problem, however, as the control surface only is receiving from Logic and changes on the BCF2000 are not reflecting in logic. When I change sliders/pan positions/etc in Logic, the BCF2000 reflects these changes. However, pressing buttons on the BCF2000 is unresponsive and if I move a slider, the motorized fader will return to the position as set in Logic.
I have been scouring the manuals for a solution, I'm sure it's something simple but I'm getting very frustrated. Any help would be immensely appreciated. Thanks!

Indeed.
Remove the control surface driver, and use LC Xmu instead. It's the absolute best way to use the Korg controllers with Logic, and has just about every feature you want/need.
http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/

Logic 9 and Korg Kontrol 49 as a control surface

You have got to be kidding me. Logic's implementation a for the Korg Kontrol 49 is a joke.
Let's starts with the basic's. Mod Wheel does not work, sustain pedal does not work.
When I run Reason, the K-49 is a dream, everything works perfectly.
It has got to the point where I remove the K-49 driver from inside the Logic app, so I don't have to delete it from the control surface setup every time I start Logic.
If the Propellorheads can do it right so can Logic/Apple.

Indeed.
Remove the control surface driver, and use LC Xmu instead. It's the absolute best way to use the Korg controllers with Logic, and has just about every feature you want/need.
http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/

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