COPA Revenue

Hi all,
We need a suggestion in CO-PA. SD condition type assignment to Value field inKE4I is perfect and for all company codes its fine. But we have included a SD user exit 'EXIT_SAPLV60B_004' to stop the revenue flow to CO-PA value filed and flow it to Internal Order. This exits looking into a Z table wherein we have included only one company code for which revenue should flow to IO. In that internal order we capture cash discounts, intra claims etc.,
This is as per clients local legal requirement.
Now logically that the COPA report is not correct....because Costs are flown to PA segment but there is no revenue.
We want to know how it can met like flowing the revenue value to COPA and Internal Order.
Please suggest us the way out.
Thanks
Velumani

Hi Velumani,
Do you have tried to customize KEI1.
Valerie

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SNK.

I Could trace this out. It is in Transaction KEDR.
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SNK.

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Hi Experts,
We just upload a file through transaction KEFC & it does automatic COPA postings . We want to understand how value fields & other relevant items in COPA posting are determined when we post through this transaction.
We went through KEFA & KEFB configurations but could not determine how values in text file are assigned to COPA Value fields.
Regards,
Santosh

Hi,
Let me try to answer your query since it is still unanswered.
From the upload file, COPA revenue and other sales value into the value fields.
If you have selected button for Valuation in KEFC screen, you will get all the cost components values of the cost estimate in the mapped value fields. This configuration is carried out
IMG -> Controlling -> Profitability Analysis -> Master Data -> Valuation -> Valuation using Material Cost Estimate.
Here you can select the point of valuation, for which material type and mapping of cost components to the value fields. I hope that I have answered your query. Let me know if not.
Cheers and Thanks in advance.

Third party sales revenue getting posted to Profit Center valuation in COPA

Hi,
We have activate profit center valuation for our operating concern.
During normal OTC cycle (third party sales), all the data is flowing correctly in legal view for the COPA document
In profit center valuation, only revenue is flowing and no other values like discounts, standard costs are flowing to Profit center valuation view
My question why only revenue is flowing and not any other values. Is this way system should behave
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If you have created new GL Accounts to map the Third party scenario, the pre-requesite is that you might need to create cost elemenet with category 11 or 12.
Further only assignments are condition types assigned to value fields.
Check if the billing type is reset under TCode KE4W.

Account Based COPA Cost of goods sold and Revenue Split

Dear Experts,
We are using account based copa in a automobile company.
As per the requirement when a car is sold, depending on the customer request the car goes for a conversion. like adding Radio, Seat cover, etc
As per our setup we have different profit centers for vehicle and Parts(radio, seat cover etc) and in this case radio, seat cover, etc are the classes of the material vehicle(not separate material).
After the vehicle conversion there is a sales order raised which goes to profit center derived from vehicle material master.
As per the reporting requirement I need to spit the Cost of good sold and revenue by vehicle profit center and parts profit center for COPA reporting purpose
Is there any way to do this in standard SAP? Or I need an exit?
Appreciate your response and please let me know in case of any clarification.
Many thanks
Roy
Edited by: roy001 on Aug 4, 2011 4:52 PM

For those who may need an answer to this, our solution was the following:
1)       Created new types for SO, SO Item, Sched. Line, Delivery, Delivery Item, Billing type
2)       Created new Pricing procedure
3)       Created new movement type Y61/Y62 modeled after 601/602
4)       Mapped Y61/Y62 to account modifier ZAX.
5)       Mapped GBB/ZAX to the new account.
Benefits, they now have better view of the orders going inter-company. It is flexible enough to adjusting prices for intercompany separate from standard orders, even though for now it is a straight copy of cost. They are able to remove the sales/use tax, from the calculations. They are able to plan with these orders separated out. Plus, this will standardize their process for inter-company.
Hope this helps someone.
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Revenue recognition at the time of Delivery - COPA

Dear Gurus,
Our sales cycles are bit different than the standard sales process.
In one of the sales cycle the business does the Billing first and delivery later and the revenue recognition should happen at the time of delivery not billing.
How do I achieve the same in COPA data flow and is this a reason why I should activate account based copa?
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Roy
Edited by: roy001 on Mar 27, 2011 8:03 PM

Hi
Thank you for you comments.
Our business scenario is car sale- The car dealer looks into portal(called dealer portal) and checks the availability of a car.
Once the dealer makes the car selection, he then places an purchase order to the car manufacturer.
Based on the order the car manufacturer asks for the full payment from the dealer. After receiving payments, the car manufacturer delivers the car.
Therefore the invoice is raised before delivery.
The problem that we have in the above scenario is the COPA value flow. How do I flow the values into copa?
Any input?
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Revenue values are not flowing into COPA

Dear Experts,
We are processing the MTS normal scenario. Here the revenue values are not flowing into COPA when FG sale. But when we process the Raw material Sale values are flowing to COPA smoothly. Here the SD condition Type, Revenue Account and COPA value Field same for RM and FG.
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Balaji Bhonsle.

Hi Balaji bhau
I guess the issue might be with your Item Category in SD.. Is it set relevant for billing??
See if the Billing Type has been entered in KE4W and the VF reset for it
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Unable to see the SD billing revenues in COPA report

HI,
I am doing the COPA report. Ours is a service providing company and hence no MM is used,
we create a sale oreder afor services, invoice the same and bill the same.
The characters I have used are Country, Company Code, Sales Employee, Customer, Sales Order, Region,Project and Employee.
The value fields I have used are Revenues and Caost of goods sold.
I have selected both the Account based and costing based COPA .
I am able to see all the direct expenses in all the dimensions, but while I post a sale order and pass an invoice and later bill it, that billing amount is not captured in the COPA report.
I have checked KE4I and I have already given the link from SD to COPAi.e, I have linked
PR00 (Price) from SD to VV010 (Revenue) in COPA
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I am also able to see the billing document comming and sitting in accounts in FB03.
But, unable to find out why the revenues are not flowing from SD to COPA.
PLease let me know where else I have to check.
Thanks in advance,
Shilpa.

Hi,
I assume the CO_PA document itself is created but the revenue value is missing (value field VV010 is empty).
As an addition to Ajay's posting ensure that your value field VV010 is not resetted for the billing doc. type in T-Code KE4W.
And check also, if there is some coding in include ZXKKEU08 activated/processed which might manipulate the values from this value field.
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Costing COPA and cost element category '1' for Revenue and COGS

Hi,
In my SAP environment historically Revenue GL accounts were created as cost element with category '1' (costs) and are being posted against cost centres. I know it is not SAP best practice, but it has been working like that in here for years. We have not activated and used COPA so far.
I am currently analysing options of implementing costing based COPA. I wonder if the fact that Revenue and COGS accounts are created as cost element with category '1' should cause any issues with COPA.
I know that in a perfect world it should be '11' for revenues and '12' or no cost element for COGS, I just hope we can leave CE category '1'.
Thank you,
Karol

Hi Ajay,
Thank you for explanation. I feared it would cause issues. However, I checked with one company code that has active COPA.
It has two Revenue accounts: one set as '11' , which is used for most automatic SD postings and other one with '1' category which is 'Other revenues' - sometimes used for automatic postings (configured in VKOA for services) and often used for manual revenue postings.
What I noticed is that documents posted for this 'Other Revenues' were posted against cost centre but also profitability segment was populated. However, it was only populated with sales quantity, no Revenue value field was updated. It must have been configured so it does not show error in COPA but update is not complete in PA table. No COGS split value fields are updated as these postings refer to services.
What I also obseved is that all COGS accounts are set as '1' and are linked to cost centre. But this seems to not affect COPA and it creates COPA document with correct COGS split into cost component category value fields.
So I assume this is only issue for Revenue accounts with '1'. COGS can be left with '1' for time being.
Do you know which config for Revenue account with '1' might have stopped COPA from giving error while posting invoices in SD?
Thank you,
Karol

COPA cost allocation based on actual revenue posting

Dear All
I need to allocated the cost cneter costs to COPA characterisitcs based on the actual revenue earned by that product.
Kindly let me know the procedure for this..
Thank you
Gayani

Hi,
Hi assign or select Revnue field in the sort key figure and the system will allocate cost based its revenues for each product.
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COPA document generated , but value field 'Revenue' was missing.

Hi COPA-Experts:
I got a problem when tranferring 'Billing document to COPA'.
COPA document was generated but some value fields missing, like 'Revenue'
i checked it by T-code 'KE4ST'(simulate), everything is OK in that session.
then I checked the pricing procedure, the price condition type was assigned by 'KE4I'
Cost element was also checked , revenue account have a CE category '11',
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when i changed 'account assignment group' in Material Master,
(by VKOA, another G/L account assigned to account assignment group )
everything was OK both in COPA and simulating.
so i guess, account assignment group(material) is revelant to COPA value fields?
how did it do that?

Resolved.
Other one had written some code in user exit (SMOD "COPA0002"),
update some value fields by account assignment group for material.
then the user exit was assigned in KE4U.
so , that's the answer

Revenue bifurcation in COPA

Hi,
COPA has been activated. In the report , Client require bifurcation of Revenue i.e Domestic Sales, Export Sales, Scrap Sales, Others etc.
The SD condition type is only one for all type of sales. Client has got 2 sales Org i.e Domestic and Export, 2 Distribution Channels, 3 Divisions and 4 plants .
Document Types are different for all sales.
In derivation, i derived sales Org from Document type. In second rule, derived Plant from Sales org, division and distribution channel.
Can we show bifurcation of Revenue in the report i.e Domestic , Export , Others etc in such type of situation?
Regards,
makrand

Hi!
You can get bifurcation of Revenue i.e Domestic Sales, Export Sales, Scrap Sales, Others etc. with diffeent condition type attached with respective value fields in COPA.
For that you require to maintain value fields in COPA for different purposes like
Domestic Revenue
Export Revenue
Domestic Discount
Export Discount
Scrap Sale
After that you can assign relevant condition types to above value fields as per actual value flows in KE4I.
Also make sure SD Quantity fields are to be assigned to COPA Quantity Fields through KE4M.
Hope it will clear to you. Pls get back for further query.
Thanks & Regards,
Taral Patel

COPA assessment cycles for revenue postings

Dear SAP gurus,
is it possible to allocate revenues to COPA via assessment cycles (tcode KEU5)? We have service income related revenues that are not linked to COGS therefore they are posted to Cost Centers but they need to be visible in the cOPA report to have a complete profitability by product. at the moment I am not allowed as revenue are considered statistical postings... any clue how can I solve this?
Thanks
Monica

Hi Monica
Welcome to SDN!
I dont agree with the responses provided above.. As far as I know, statistical postings can neither be settled, nor can they be allocated
Catg 11 cost elements post statistically to Cost Centers.. Hence, you cant allocate...
For the postings made till now, Manually update COPA using KE21N (If you are using Costing Based COPA)
Way Forward: Make your service income postings in an Internal Order and you can settle the same to COPA and then allocate using Top Down Dist KE28...
Try note 605281 and see if it allows to use IO as senders in KEU5....
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Issue Related to CS { Customer Service order }..Revenue settlement in COPA

A CS order was created with correct partner information, however with the revenue settlement in COPA, the correct partner profit center was not derived. The derived profit center is incorrect and can lead to incorrect data/figures.

Dear amitha,
Please check your work center.
In work center you can find Cost center.
In cost center(KS02) you can find Profit center. Change the right profit center here it will impact on your service order.
Let me know if you need more clarity on this.
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Excise amount add in revenue & deducted as exp. seperately-Billing to COPA

Dear Experts,
my client is adding excise amount on revenue and want to deduct it seperatly as expenses.
lets say revenue 12rs including 2rs excise
and same they want to charge it separately 2rs excise as expenses
Revenue 12rs
excise -2rs as expenses
Excise 5rs as liabilities a/c
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regards
RR

Hi Raman
I am really not clear as to this requirement.... You are adding excise expense as 2 rs and showing liability of 5 rs.. Whats the logic behind this??
I have seen companies where they show revenue inclusive of taxes and then deduct the taxes... But, you are saying 2 rs out of 12 is excise, but again showing 5 as liability....
Is it that you can bill only 3 rs out of 5 rs to the customer?? If yes, then use a discount condition type in SD pricing procedure... Map this condition type to a Catg 12 cost element and assign this Cond type to a Value Field in KE4I
The Accountin entry in that case would be
Customer ............... Dr 105
Excise expense .....Dr 5
Revenue.................Cr 100
Excise LIability........Cr 10
No question of knocking off The expense in that case because its your expense...
The liability of 5 rs will get paid as per the normal proces of CIN
br, Ajay M

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