Cross reference text anchor source in Word doc

I'm trying to figure out a way to automatically generate page numbers for a list of courses at the back of a course catalog. The listing is not arranged alphabetically or in the order the courses appear in the catalog, and (right now) the listing is a table. Because of this, I don't think a TOC or Index would work.
Cross references seem to work, but they're just as much work as turning pages, finding each entry, and typing it into the list. What I'd really like is to be able to use cross-references to text anchors, but have the anchors inserted in Word, before it goes into Indesign. Many of the courses repeat from one catalog to the next. The editor who creates the Word file does so by pasting each course with its description into one big Word file. If the text anchor were in each course to begin with, it would end up in Indesign and I would only have to reference it to generate a page number.
It seems that Word's Bookmarks come into Indesign as text anchors, but not with their original names. The first bookmark, regardless of its name in Word, comes in named "Anchor". The next one comes in named "Anchor 5" or something like that. I want them to come in with course numbers or some other unique identifier. "Anchor 5" doesn't really tell me anything.
Any ideas?
Ken Benson

Kenneth Benson wrote:
I'm trying to figure out a way to automatically generate page numbers for a list of courses at the back of a course catalog. The listing is not arranged alphabetically or in the order the courses appear in the catalog, and (right now) the listing is a table. Because of this, I don't think a TOC or Index would work.
Cross references seem to work, but they're just as much work as turning pages, finding each entry, and typing it into the list. What I'd really like is to be able to use cross-references to text anchors, but have the anchors inserted in Word, before it goes into Indesign. Many of the courses repeat from one catalog to the next. The editor who creates the Word file does so by pasting each course with its description into one big Word file. If the text anchor were in each course to begin with, it would end up in Indesign and I would only have to reference it to generate a page number.
It seems that Word's Bookmarks come into Indesign as text anchors, but not with their original names. The first bookmark, regardless of its name in Word, comes in named "Anchor". The next one comes in named "Anchor 5" or something like that. I want them to come in with course numbers or some other unique identifier. "Anchor 5" doesn't really tell me anything.
Any ideas?
Ken Benson
Hi, Ken:
IIRC, Word's cross-references are preserved in InDesign. Have you tried it?
HTH
Regards,
Peter
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sammy003 wrote:
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