Custom cropping ratio

i have PSE 4.0 for macs.
i'm trying to custom crop a photo by maintaining certain dimensions so that when i add borders, it will come out the right size. i do not want to stretch or compress any of the photo as i don't want to lose any of the quality . there is no custom choice for aspect ratio and the dimensions are in inches, not pixels. i'd like to maintain a ratio of 1 X 1.586 but not 1" X 1.586" as it offers. i can't add the borders beforehand as they need to be equal on all sides in the end. i need to end up with a 1850 X 1250 pixel product. 8 pixels of white trim and 105 pixels of black border, so times 2 top and bottom and side to side. the actual photo needs to be cropped, not resized, to 1624 X 1024.
how do i do this?

Zach,
I am unable to comprehend the problem completely, but I think that I get the drift.
Image>resize>image size allows one to size an image using any one of multiple measuring parameters, and define px/in.
Now, if you want to add a border without encroaching on the image per se, you can extend the canvas. Image>resize>canvas size. This allows expansion in width, height; I am fond of using %, but there are multiple options. The checkerboard pattern around the image denoted transparency which can be filled with the border.
Another option is to select the image in toto, Select>all, then go to Edit>stroke. Here you can select the width of the stroke, position
(outside), and color.
HTH,
Ken

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