DC coupling capacitor

Dear Forums,
Happy Holidays!
I simulated this very simple circuit as attached and NPN did not turn on as what I thought that the 5V DC power would be blocked by the coupling cap.  However, I've seen this section of circuit design had been implemented in one of our products and had been in production for years.  Can anyone provide any feedback how it worked?
Thanks,
Kent
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Hi Kent,
When DC is first applied current will flow through the capacitor switching on the transistor until the capacitor is fully charged. When the capacitor is charged, current will no longer flow and the transistor will switch off.
This type of cuircuit might be used to perform a once off function on power on for instance. The time the transistor is switched on can be set by chosing the values of the RC network to suit the application.
Regards
Steve

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    dependency: com.apple.NVDAResman(3.4.2)@0x46c000
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    dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.4)@0x398000
    dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.3.5)@0x436000
    dependency: com.apple.NVDAResman(3.4.2)@0x46c000
    dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.3.5)@0x456000
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    Kernel version:
    Darwin Kernel Version 7.9.0:
    Wed Mar 30 20:11:17 PST 2005; root:xnu/xnu-517.12.7.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC
    panic(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access
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    Exception state (sv=0x2EE8C500)
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    dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.4)@0x398000
    dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.3.5)@0x436000
    dependency: com.apple.NVDAResman(3.4.2)@0x46c000
    dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.3.5)@0x456000
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    PC=0x90007878; MSR0

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