Deleting old Product cost collectors with variances

Hi Experts
The client is wanting to archive old Product Cost Collectors. There are 3 of them that say that they have unsettled variances. I need to delete these which are in 1999 and 2001
The error message is KO451. I have tried to set this error to a warning but it is not allowing this
Please advise
Kind regards
Dawn

Hi Dawn,
you can check SAP note 140672 in which the procedure to be followed is explained
in case of KO451.
A workaround would be: You can uncheck the indicator 'Variances to
Costing-Based PA' in
settlement profile. Then you can close/archive the order.
br, Guido

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Following link will be useful:
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