Diference between R/3 ECCS & SEM BCS

<b>Hi all,
We ve to compare the two systems R/3-ECCS and SEM-BCS in detail as we are goin for consolidation using SAP. Could you people suggest something regardin this.
It will be very nice if you could suggest some parameters based on which these to be compared.</b>

The main difference is that you don't have to pay additional licence fees for R/3 EC-CS, because it is part of R/3. As long as you didn't buy mySAP ERP or the mySAP Business Suite you would have to buy an additional SEM license to use SEM BCS.
As far as I know, R/3 EC-CS offers all necessary functionality for consolidation and is a sophisticated product.
But in the end, SEM BCS will be the path to the future, even if the implementation might be not so easy today.

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Comparison between R/3-ECCS & SEM BCS

<b>Hi all,
We ve to compare thw two systems R/3 ECCS & SEM-BCS in detail as we are goin for consolidation i near future.
Could you all suggest some thing regarding this.
It will be very nice if you could suggest some parameters based on which these two are to be compared.
Regards,
Feddin.</b>

Feddin,
in EC-CS you have only one consolidation unit object. So if you are dealing with a matrix org then you have to compound for example company code and profit center into a CS unit object. This potenially creates a lot of units and therefore maintenance overhead.
With BCS you can keep the two dimensions separated and all combinations are valid (without the need to create them).
Regards
Marc
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Concept of Integrated Consolidation Unit of SEM BCS

HI Experts,
I'm now in the SEM BCS 4.0 and BW 3.5 implementation. Previously I was the ECCS specialist and before the FI and AM specialist.
Now I'm in SEM BCS implementation.
I have one question in connection to the integrated consolidation unit. As the reference, I take the concept of this using the ECCS.
As you might know, the creation of integrated consolidation unit for using realtime update method in ECCS, is pulled from FI company ID.
Meanings if I set the configuration properly, I can pull out the company master data as the consolidation unit master data in consolidation monitor.
Now, in SEM BCS, I want to do the same thing. I mean, off course I can create company ID in R/3 and then create the consolidation unit manually using UCWB. But this scenario can create inconsistency, and I also think this is not the right concept of doing integration between R/3 and SEM BCS.
My question is : what is the concept of this master data integration, and what is the proper way to do it?
Any advise on this question is highly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
regards,
Halim

Hi Halim,
You need to build properly your data basis in data model.
Assign your company to a consolidation unit role:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_sem350bw/helpdata/en/dd/f3783bcfef4a2de10000000a114084/frameset.htm
I sent to you the file concerning BCS that you asked for in another thread.
Best regards,
Eugene

Differences between SEM BCS and SAP BPC

Hello All,
Can you please let me know the differences between SEM BCS and SAP BPC. What I know is SEM BCS is an SAP product for Financial Consolidation (Legal and Management). SAP BPC is the new product taken over from Outlooksoft. It also features the consolidationa and planning functionalities. Can you please suggest which is a better product.
Regards
Vikram

There is nothing like better or worse product.
BCS has some strong features like consolidation monitor, investment consolidation and for most consolidation functions, configuration is very easy. In BPC, you may have to write scripts.
BCS has BW as the backbone where for BPC 5.1 there is none. Howveer, in BPC 7.0, the BPC will rest on BI and things will be much better.
Ravi Thothadri

Difference between SAP BPC & SEM BCS

Hi Gurus,
What is the difference between SAP BPC & SEM BCS And throw some light on both?
Thanks in Advance,
Sandy.

Hi Sandy,
The functionality in BPC mainly 1) Planning 2) Consolidation
1) Planning : You can have any type planning scenario. Ex.: Sales planning. Based on the actual previous data
we will have some projection reports on the sales for future sales, so we can have planning scenario here . We can change
the projections as per our requirement for any number of times.
Ex 2: HR Planning. Based on the market condition we have recruitment planning, based on the actual data (Existing Emp.)
Ex 3: Accounts Expenditure planning like this we can have planning forecastings.
2) Consolidations : We can consolidate the group company, companies with currency translations, allocations, Inter Unit
eliminations, consolidated P&L accounts & Consolidated Balance Sheets are possible in this.
But where as in BCS you can do only 2 part. The first part is not possible. Hence I personally suggest you to learn BPC NW
it will be more useful. BPC is now going to integrated with BO (Buss. Objects) also from 7.5 ver onwards.
I hope this may help you.
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B.S.RAGHU

Master Data synchronisation between BW and SEM BCS

Hi,
Can any one guide me how to synchronize data between BW and SEM BCS.
Master data like Cost centre, Segment, Profit centers and all other sub assignments are created in BW from source ystem i.e SAP.
Now when I upload data into BCS, i am facing errors l;ike master data doex not exists.
Currently I am Flexible upload for updating into BCS.
So pls suggest me hoe to proceed this approach in Production? IS there any synchronisation program which does this automatically from BW to BCS?
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Richard

Hi Scotsman,
The issue is, here we have created Sub Assignments, where the master data for these sub assignments will increase on daily basis.
Can say atleast 50 Sub assignmenrs are created as new master data, example: Customer is a sub assignment, but it is assigned only for few accounts, so taking sub ledgerlevel data inco is not an issue.
Now when transaction data is posted in to BCS, the sub assignments master data is created automatically.
Now the question is how to get the data in BW for the specific sub assignmnets into BCS.
Currently I planned to use the [program UCMDSYNC to do this.
Pls do suggest me if any other option available for me.
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SEM-BCS data extractor from ECC general ledger table(s)

We are a utility company working on an SEM-BCS implementation and use the FERC solution. We do not use the new GL. We are trying to extract the transaction data from ECC to a BI virtual remote cube. We cannot use the profit center extractor (0EC_PCA_3) as the profit center tables do not contain any ferc data. We need to be able to extract the transaction data from a general ledger table. We have run into several issues with various extractors we have tried because they donu2019t allow direct access (0FI_GL_4) or are at a summary level and we canu2019t extract group account, trading partner, and transaction type detail (0FI_GL_1). Would you have any suggestions on how to extract general ledger data with the detail information required from ECC to be able to load to a BI virtual remote cube?

We are going forward with getting the natural account detail data using the profit center extractor 0EC_PCA_3, and getting the ferc summary data using the general ledger extractor 0FI_GL_1. With our testing so far, this combination will provide us the data we need in BCS.

Settings in ECC x SEM BCS

Experts
What are the settings to be made in SAP ECC to meet the needs of SEM BCS?
Tks
Regards

this note (1171344) is one of the most, if not the most, important SAP Note on BCS (and FINBASIS). if i were to compare to anything it would be SAP Law that needs to be checked periodically for updates. it's current as of June 6, 2010.

Difference Between ECCS and BCS

Hello Everyone
Can any one explain briefly the difference between ECCS and BCS.
Your response will be highly appreciated.
Regards.
DC

Quick answer: EC-CS is on the R/3 platform, while BCS is on the BI platform.
This topic has been discused numerous times - please search the forum for more details if required.

Remote Extractor and Real Time Infocube for SEM BCS

Hi Experts,
I have somes doubts about the integration between SEM and BW.
There is a cycle that have the next processes:
1.- begin in R/3 with the movements in FI, CO and/or general ledgers
2.- Activate the extractors standards for replicate/extract data to BW. For example, 0FI_GL_XXXX.
3.- Configure a method for take the information from BW to SEM.
4.- My doubt begin here... For take the information from SEM to the real time infocube, where I configure? What Have I for configure?
The real time infocube, What is the proposal? Where take the data? Here, Do the remote extractor begin to apply?
Thank you very much for your collaboration.
Regards,
Jeysi Ascanio

We're using 0FI_GL_20 to read directly from FAGLFLEXT into SEM-BCS via a BI remote cube. There are some basic transformations in BI to "populate" the remote cube, then a standard Load from Data Stream in BCS to do final mappings. In the BCS workbench, just create a source data basis off the remote cube.
This works at my current project due to fairly low ECC data volumes. If you are doing any complex mapping on the Company or Fiscal Year / Period infoobjects, you may need to create a inverse mapping routine in the remote cube to transfer selection criteria. If you see messages in the monitor following a data load such as "xx,xxx of xxx,xxx records ignored", that means that you are reading too much data from ECC and it is only getting filtered on the BCS side. We had this problem with a custom extractor and adding an inverse mapping routine cut the load from ~5min to 30sec. (Basically, the custom, template-delivered, extractor only had 0FISCPER, not 0FISCPER3 and 0FISCYEAR, so we would read all 17 K4 periods into BI, map them into BCS, then BCS would throw out the unneeded periods. Unfortunately, we did not have the option to change the extractor, so this was the best approach.).
If I had large data volumes, I would use a regular BI basic cube for staging (or possibly a multi-cube with a mix of basic and realtime, depending on the load requirements to BCS).
If you use 0FI_GL_20, I would strongly recommend you implement OSS Note 1245822, or be on SAP_APPL 603.0002 or later.
Hope that helps,
- Chris

SEM-BCS vs Hyperion

My client is unable to take a decision on software selection between Hyperion and SEM BCS - 4.0 for consolidations. The company is already implemented SAP -4.6c and wants to go for consolidation implementation. Hence, client is in dilemma for choosing software. Can anybody face the situation where SEM-BCS is superior than Hyperion software. if so, Please forward me the presentation/ comparison to support the SEM-BCS implementation.
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E-mail : [email protected]

Hello
SEM BCS and ECCS both are consolidation applications of SAP System.
ECCS is based on R/3 where as SEM BCS is based on BW.
There are no special circumstances, however SEM BCS is the latest version. Moreover the recent direction of SAP is towards BPC u2013
Business Planning & Consolidation.
Hope this helps.
Ambadas

SEM BCS - Consolidation Chart of Accounts

Hi all,
For the SEM-BCS implementation I am using ECC as the operational system. ECC folks are in the process of building a group chart of account in FI.
Can you suggests the work around to map group chart of account to consolidation chart of account in SEM-BCS?
Thanks in advance
RJ

I am not sure if anybody has replied you.
In SEM 4.0, You need to download the chart from R3 and then upload as hierrachy in the UCWB workbench.
In SEM.6.0, You have master data load direct from R3 and you can do the same.
Functional advice:-
Normally R3 creates operational chart of account in R3. Each account has a group account feild, if populated the mapping of operational chart to group is amintained in R3 itself.
You can upload the GL master with group chart account number and then this will obviously have the mapping for your use in BCS.
Consolidation chart of account in R3 (if its the accepted group chart) will be the same group chart which your ECC guys are preparing.
Are they using ECCS in R3??
Rgds
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SEM BCS - BPC

Hello All,
Can you please let me know the differences between SEM BCS and SAP BPC. What I know is SEM BCS is an SAP product for Financial Consolidation (Legal and Management). SAP BPC is the new product taken over from Outlooksoft. It also features the consolidationa and planning functionalities. Can you please suggest which is a better product.
Regards
Vikram

Hi Vikram
Please use Search Functionality in the forum, there are many threads answering your question.
Based on my experience, in current versions BPC 5.1 has lot of limitations to be used as full consolidation product.
It has good features and will be developed in future releases as complete consoliation product.
From my understanding, till then BCS will only be preferred for consolidation.
Thanks and Regards
Anurag

SEM-BCS Statistical FS Items (Statistical: Balance and Statistical: Flow)

Hi,
SEM-BCS 4.0 and SEM-BCS 6.0 both have 2 types of Statistical FS Item (Financial Statement item); "Statistical: Balance" and "Statistical: Flow".
I note that these are treated differently, e.g. in Balance Carryforward task, Statistical: Balance are carried forward automatically while Statistical: Flow are not.
My question is, what is the difference between these statistical item types?
And what are they (or could they be) used for?

Hi,
I'll try to explain you like the following:
Balance is a value that is derived from beginning balance plus movement. Flow is the movement itself.
Trial balance is an example of balance, while movement type is an example of flow.
When you do balance carry forward, system add all the flow type that you define to make a balance, and carry forward the balance only.
Hope it helps.
regards,

Inconsistent Query Result in SEM-BCS using Virtual Info Provider

We have just upgraded to BW 7.0 and SEM-BCS 6.0. When we run an existing 3.5 BW query for BCS through the Virtual Info Provider against the basic consolidation cube, we are getting inconsistent results. Sometimes we get the correct result, and other times our results are not rolling up correctly causing an out of balance on our balance sheet query. We did not make any hierarchy changes between the query executions. Has anyone else experienced this? We cannot see the cause of the inconsistency. Everything looks good when running through RSRT DEBUG. Any help on pushing us in the right direction to solve this would be appreciated.
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Hi Rob,
Could you please let me know how you have resolved this issue? Thanks.
Regards,
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