Discontinuation indicator and follow up material.

Hi,
I am facing the strange issue for which i need your expertise. The requirement is like:
1. "X" material is discontinued and "Y" is as follow-up in two plants A & B. Discontinaution group and follow-up group has also been assigned in the BOM.
2. Now The client want to reverse the settings . means "Y" should be discontinued and "X" should be follow-up in both plants A & B.
Now I have removed the discontinuation indicator and follow up material from "X" in both plants. But when I am going to discontinue the "Y" material and putting " X" as a follow-up material, The system is giving the message "The specified follow-up material results in recursiveness
Message no. M3609
Diagnosis
You have entered a follow-up material. However, the BOM explosion for the follow-up material leads to the discontinued material, resulting in unpermissible recursiveness.
Procedure
Enter another follow-up material or cancel the entry.
Please suggest me where I am missing in my settings and what is the reason for this message.
Regards
Deepak Sharma

Dear ,
Check the following :
1.Validity of the Bill Of Material or any deletion flag is set in the present BOM.
2.Please check the following SAP notes :
Note 161742 - Consulting note: BOM recursion/low-level code 999
Note 839879 - Trace 'BOM is recursive'
Note 139517 - Recursiveness for follow-up materials
Note 42891 - Recursiveness check
Hope this will help you to figure it out
Regards
JH

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