Doubt on technical systems and fault message types

Hi,
        I had still doubt & i'm not clear to answers i got yesterday , plz clarify my doubts
         1.what are fault message types and   how do we catch any exceptions in file to proxy scenario , can any one give simple example ?
         2.How do we register a non-sap system(FTP SERVER) in SLD ? what steps should we follow? Does any one have blogs regarding this?
           Plz answer to this questions, good answers will be rewarded.

Hi Smitha,
1. what are fault message types and how do we catch any exceptions in file to proxy scenario , can any one give simple example
Fault Message are Msg type that provided whenever u create a namespace..they are usually used to get the exception or error mapped which has occured while execution of Application at the sender/receiver end....
One scenario where i had used it from Soap to RFC where i defined the exception in rfc source code at r/3 end...I mapped that exception to Fault msg type that i created of my own type(didnt used the default)..
Refer this for Fault msg usage in Asynch scenarios.
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2006/11/02/fault-message-types--a-demo-part-1
Refer this for Fault msg usage in Synch scenarios.
/people/sap.user72/blog/2006/01/16/xi-propagation-of-meaningful-error-information-to-soap-client
Refer this for Handling Exceptions
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/33/4a773f12f14a18e10000000a114084/content.htm
2.How do we register a non-sap system(FTP SERVER) in SLD ? what steps should we follow? Does any one have blogs regarding this?
For this you have to define the 3rd Party TS & BS in sld.
Have a look at the following links...
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04s/helpdata/en/fa/0aad3efa11b300e10000000a114084/frameset.htm
Cheers...
Vasu
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Hi Rabi,
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Fault message implementation.
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2006/11/02/fault-message-types--a-demo-part-1
How to Guide
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/40574601-ec97-2910-3cba-a0fdc10f4dce
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2)NFS(Network File System)
in server :Enter the host name or IP address of the FTP server.
in PORT:Specify the port number of the FTP server.
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check here
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/e3/94007075cae04f930cc4c034e411e1/content.htm
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Hi guys,
I have a bpm scenario created, tested and working.
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Hi Krishna,
I've read the SAP description about Fault Message Types but I'm still struggling on how to use them correctly.
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steps to create Techincal system and Business systems?
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Hi
First I let u know with analogy and actual definition as below
Any module of SAP like MM, SRM, FICO ets makes a logical system in combination according to business requirements is a business system which is actualy hosted on an application server like ABAP AS or Java AS which is basically a technical system.
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Third-party systems
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The business systems in the System Landscape Directory relate to a system landscape.
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U can also refer Blog's
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Difference betweeen Technical systems and Business systems

Hi
In a SLD we need to configure technical systems and Business systems.. what is the exact difference between Technical Systems and Business Systems..
this question is asked an interview.. for this.. how can we explain..
thanks
babu

Hi babu
First I let u know with analogy and actual definition as below
Any module of SAP like MM, SRM, FICO ets makes a logical system in combination according to business requirements is a business system which is actualy hosted on an application server like ABAP AS or Java AS which is basically a technical system.
Technical systems are application systems that are installed in system landscape (a CRM server, for example). Most systems (Web AS ABAP and Web AS Java systems) automatically report information to the SLD about the elements that they contain by using the SLD data supplier programs. You need to manually register the following types of system only:
Standalone Java systems
Third-party systems
Business systems are logical senders or receivers that exchange messages by using SAP XI and that are entered in the System Landscape Directory.
The business systems in the System Landscape Directory relate to a system landscape.
The business systems of business partners are not entered in the System Landscape Directory. To be able to address such business partners logically, use services in the Integration Directory. A business system is a way of specifying a service in the Integration Directory more precisely (business system service).
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Hello Everybody!!!
I have some doubts, can you help me, please???
1) Technical Systems are application(software) systems, ok? They aren't hardware systems, ok?
2) In my SLD I should have a SAP ECC system as a technical system and each of their clients as a bussiness system, ok?
3) For third-party systems, where the client concept doesn't exist, I should have one technical system and only one business system for my third-party system, ok?
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hi julio ,
           ur view is correct except in the technical system .
1)   technical systems are the physically located systems in which we can create only technical system for any physically located system .
2)   bussiness systems are logical systems . according to the type of technical system we can create the no of bussiness systems .
   technical system of type W AS ABAP we can create multiple business systems as there is the concept of clients .
   technical system of   third party   we can not create more than one business system as there is no matter of client .
3)   so for every third party systems only one   business system will be there .
some important points :.
    atleast one   business system will be there on   any   system .
we can   create   more than one   business   system on third party systems .

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Hello all,
I am relatively new to the web service framework in SAP. My problem scenario is as follows.
I have a WSDL file of a webservice from 3rd party non-SAP s/w and I want to replicate the same webservice into SAP by creating FM in SE37 with same imp/exp parameters and functionality.
So I first created a consumer proxy using the external WSDL file of non-SAP webservice. This generated imp/exp DDIC structures in SAP. Now I created a RFC FM in SE37 with similar Imp/exp parameters and relesed this FM as a webservice. I then created another consumer proxy using WSDL of this newly created webservice in SAP.
In the old consumer proxy I see a structure as SOAPFault as a Fault message type which has 3 fields ERRORCODE, TEXT, DETAILS but in the newly created consumer proxy I don't see Fault message types but i see exceptions which i mentioned in exception tabs while creating the FM. The imp/exp parameters are identical.
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Hi Krishna,
I've read the SAP description about Fault Message Types but I'm still struggling on how to use them correctly.
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I've tried to acess the description text on trace which comes with the message, but it seems that the trace only serves for posting info, and not for getting any...
The Mapping Runtime Constants have some information where you can read some descriptions, but nothing related to the errors....You can read the Receiver service, sender, interface_namespace, but nothing from the ERROR tag...
Is there a way to get the description? Or anything related to the error tag?
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Automizing error message with Fault Message Type

(Request F6) (Request F6)
System -
> XI -
> SAP (Doesn't have F6)
 <-- XI <--
 SAP (Doesn't have F6)
 (Respons: error) (Respons. error)
(Problem) When the request message doesn't content sufficient information that is required for respons then the XI team will get the message error and the responsibility to solve the problem. In this scenario it is the XI team that sends the error respons to the System.
(Request (eg. F6) ) (Request (eg. F6))
System -
> XI -
> SAP (Doesn't have F6)
 <-- XI <--
 SAP (Doesn't have F6)
 (Respons: error) (Respons. error)
(Solution) We want to automatize the process so that the error message goes directly to the System via XI. In other words we only want an acknowledgment of the error in XI, we don't want to solve the error since we believe that it is the sender System that is responsible.
We have seen that there is a Fault Message Type in the Message Interface and we are wondering if that is the way to do it? And it that case, how?

Hi,
Fault message is a error meesage. Its like an exception in simple terms. The fault message is used to
store a log for application error. Fault messages is defined in IR.
To give a overview on Fault messages it is mostly used in synchronous communication. When an error
occurs at the inbound side instead of sending the response message back it sends a fault message back
to the sender system to handle error.
Fault Message are Msg type that provided whenever u create a namespace..they are usually used to get
the exception or error mapped which has occured while execution of Application at the sender/receiver
end....
One scenario where i had used it from Soap to RFC where i defined the exception in rfc source code at
r/3 end...I mapped that exception to Fault msg type that i created of my own type(didnt used the
default)..
Fault messages are used to propogate / send back the error message to the calling application. This is
used when there is a failure and the sending system needs to know what the error was. This is more of
catching Application Errors
check this nice blog also
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2006/11/02/fault-message-types--a-demo-part-1
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/5d/a45c3cff8ca92be10000000a114084/content.htm
Asynchronus RFC exception handling
XI Alerts are not getting triggered from proxy servers
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/ee5bc490-0201-0010-e9b5-
a258cf083bca
/people/sap.user72/blog/2006/01/16/xi-propagation-of-meaningful-error-information-to-soap-client
Fault Message
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Edited by: N V Seshagiri on Feb 29, 2008 12:19 PM

What is fault message type in mapping

hi folks,
what is the use of fault message type in message mapping . where do we use them .please spare a little time to type rather to refer to other blogs. have a nice day

Hi Bose
Fault messages are used to propogate / send back the error maessage to the calling application. This is used when there is a failue and the sending system needs to know what the error was. This is more of catching Application Errors.
Also please go through the link below to get the details for fault messages...
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/5d/a45c3cff8ca92be10000000a114084/content.htm
fault message is a message that describes an application-specific error situation
we have standardised fault message in XI.
Fault message types are designed for application-specific errors that occur on the inbound side and that are reported back to the sender or persisted in monitoring.
In the synchronous case, when an application-specific error occurs on the inbound side, instead of sending a response message back to the sender, the application can send a fault message to handle the error.
The fault message of the application for an asynchronous ABAP server proxy is persisted for monitoring. In the case asynchronous of Java server proxies, the fault message is part of a negative application acknowledgement
Application-specific means that the application on the inbound side triggers the error itself because, for example, the request message did not contain sufficient information
See the below links
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/5d/a45c3cff8ca92be10000000a114084/content.htm
Asynchronus RFC exception handling
XI Alerts are not getting triggered from proxy servers
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/ee5bc490-0201-0010-e9b5-a258cf083bca
/people/sap.user72/blog/2006/01/16/xi-propagation-of-meaningful-error-information-to-soap-client
Fault Message
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2006/11/02/fault-message-types--a-demo-part-1
You can use Fault messages when you want to handle errors at the Inbound side ie at the destination side.
check this nice blog also
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2006/11/02/fault-message-types--a-demo-part-1
Fault Messages
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/5d/a45c3cff8ca92be10000000a114084/frameset.htm
Usage of Fault Messages in Synchronous interfaces
/people/sap.user72/blog/2006/01/16/xi-propagation-of-meaningful-error-information-to-soap-client
usage of fault messages in asynchronous interfaces
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2006/11/02/fault-message-types--a-demo-part-1
Have a look at "/people/sap.user72/blog/2006/01/16/xi-propagation-of-meaningful-error-information-to-soap-client"
for more details have a look on these links

Fault messages - /people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2006/11/02/fault-message-types--a-demo-part-1
Also ref:
Handling Web Service SOAP Fault Responses in SAP NetWeaver XI -
/people/jin.shin/blog/2007/05/21/handling-web-service-soap-fault-responses-in-sap-netweaver-xi
check this out
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/5d/a45c3cff8ca92be10000000a114084/content.htm
demo - /people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2006/11/02/fault-message-types--a-demo-part-1
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2006/11/02/fault-message-types--a-demo-part-1 - this is sure to help you.
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Fault Message Types

Hi experts
i have a following scenario. the scenario is SOAP to XI to ECC, and from XI to ECC RFC's are being used. i have doubt about the fault message types?
what are fault message types and why should they be created???
for the above required scenario does"fault message types are to be created or not" plz let me know.
Thanx in advance

Hi,
>>ii have doubt about the fault message types? what are fault message types and why should they be created???
According to help.sap.com http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwpi71/helpdata/EN/dd/b7623c6369f454e10000000a114084/content.htm
Fault message types are designed for application-specific errors that occur at the provider (inbound side) and that are reported back to the sender or persisted in monitoring.
1) In the synchronous case, when an application-specific error occurs on the inbound side, instead of sending a response message back to the sender, the application can send a fault message to handle the error.
2) The fault message of the application for an asynchronous ABAP server proxy is persisted for monitoring. In the case asynchronous of Java server proxies, the fault message is part of a negative application acknowledgment (see Acknowledgments).
>>for the above required scenario does"fault message types are to be created or not" plz let me know.
You can send the exception of RFC in Fault message type. (Provided the RFC raises an exception)
Regards
Suraj

Error handling using fault message type in outbound synchronous ABAP proxy

Hi,
We've a scenario, outbound synchronous ABAP proxy to synchronous SOAP receiver. The requirement is to send multiple records in a single rquest and get response for all the records sent (in the same response message).
Say if I send 10 records from ECC, I should get 10 records as response from SOAP to ECC. But the problem here is, there could be some invalid requests, for which an invalid error status code should be sent as part of response.
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Req_Proxy
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Response Structure
Resp_SOAP
Resp (0..Unbounded)
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Please calrify.
Thanks.
Rohit

For eg if 8 records are successful and 2 are invalid, then we should get 10 records in response 8
for valid and 2 for invalid accordingly.
Check if you can modify the WSDL structure to include an error node that would get populated incase of invalid entries....this would mean that you get the success and failure details in the single message....also at the proxy-end make the necessary change in your DT.....may be then you do not need to use the fault message...
Regards,
Abhishek.

Guide for Fault Message Type

Hi,
I search a guide for configuration a "Fault Message Type".
I have read, if there is a mapping error, XI will create a error handling in a xml-file.
But I can not find this file.
Can you help me please?
Thanks.
Regards
Stefan

Hi Stefan,
Exception can be declared in BPM steps like Transform,send,Block and handled in Exception Branch.
TO know more about BPM and its exception go throught this link,
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/3c/831620a4f1044dba38b370f77835cc/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/3c/831620a4f1044dba38b370f77835cc/frameset.htm
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