Editing video by half frames or less

I'm and audio guy trying to edit video, so I'm not sure if I'm using the correct terms, but can you slide video in Final Cut Pro by less than a frame? e.g. a half frame or 1/4 frame, or even miliseconds?
I know that in ProTools you can "nudge" audio around on many different "grids". Is is possible to view Final Cut Pro in a 1/2 or 1/4 frame 'grid'?
The goal here is to edit 4 video segments (or video 'tracks') that must line up with my 'clap board' start. I can see my 'clap' in the audio wave form for all 4 video tracks, but they are just slightly off, by a 1/2 and 1/4 frame. Hence I need to slide them just a bit to have them line up.
Thanks for your help, and I apologize if I'm not using the correct terms.
glankrudolph
Powerbook G4 Mac OS X (10.4.4) Final Cut Pro HD 4.5

Maybe this is just the difference between audio and video editing programs, not sure. Perhaps there are better video programs out there that can nudge video in smaller increments?
In the audio program I am running, ProTools, you can nudge audio by 1/4 frame or a sub frame. You can also set the grid to view these increments, thus you are able to 'snap' audio (and one track of video) to a 1/4 frame or sub frame grid.
Hence I could bring the video into ProTools and adjust it so that the very beginning of the video is where my 'clap' is, then import that into Final Cut Pro. However, this would add another step of processing the video and I may loose some quality. (ProTools converts the video during a 'bounce to video' step when exporting.)
For the record, in the audio world a 1/4 frame can be very obvious. The video I am working on shows three percussionists playing very complex 32nd-note patterns at 120 bpm. If the audio is 1/4-frame off, it sounds like absolute mud.
We tested two video tracks together, which were off by a 1/2 frame, and it actually looks ok. I was recording the audio simultaneously in ProTools so I'm using that audio anyway, so it will work out fine.
I still feel that Final Cut Pro should have the ability to 'razor' at the exact point you want to cut, then snap to the frame.
Thanks for the help.
Note to Apple: talk to DigiDesign's ProTools programmers about showing a 1/4-frame or sub-frame grid in Final Cut Pro. Maybe they can help you.
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Case #0183085485
Updated
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:59:24 PM PDT
Opened
Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:54:02 PM PDT
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Product
Production Premium 5.5
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Adobe Support Program
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Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:59:24 PM PDT
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