External SATA recommendations
All,
Can anyone recommend an external SATA solution for my Powermac G5? I have a card with external ports, but I need advice on the following:
1. Decent enclosure that will allow spindown of disks
2. Cables
3. Disks
The other option would be for a NAS solution, but I don't believe that would be suitable for photography or video editing, but I guess it would be ok for archival storage ?
I'm preferably looking for gear available in the UK and known to work with the G5... Ever since finding out that a WD400GB disk was going to cost me an additional SATA controller, I've been a lot more cautious about this kind of thing
Wayne,
Your shopping in the same area i have been exploring recently. I'm looking for much more storage, possible with RAID AND backup options. I use Aperture extensively - as extensively as the hopeless and unapgradeable 6600 nVida video card allows. I also have a large itunes collection and do video creation on FC. I need more spindles!
I've settled on the Sonnet E4p PCIe card for my quad offering 4 external SATA ports, and it also support Port Multiplication (PM). PM is a means of clustering bunches of drives physically and connect them to one eSATA port. This particular card £200, supports up to x5 SATA drives per port, thus 20 external drives. However PM is slightly slower than direct connect to each drive. My view is that PM, possibly with RAID within it will be fast enough AND give me a backup option.
After the I/O card there is the choice of enclosure. I have done a lot of reading on what is out there and again i'm falling back to one of two Sonnet products, the 400A and 500P. The former offers x4 SATA drives and supports direct connect to each drive which would make a screaming I/O sub-system. However i also want lots of on-line data capability so speed is not the only priority. This moves me to the 500P enclosure, a x5 SATA PM-only setup. It allows sleep, drive temp monitoring and S.M.A.R.T. What i like about this is i can run a 2-3 drives of 4-500GB SATAII in a fast RAID leaving 3-2 drives for rolling (daily) and (weekly) backup processes as well as one left for x. All within one enclosure. And i still have three eSATA ports to expand on !
AMUG has some good detailed reviews of this and similar equipment:
http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/home_frame.html
I've not settled on software to run my backups yet, but the above represents my theoritical approach for on-line storage expansion of my Quad. What i am hesitant about is whether i will stick with my mac setup. No matter how much screaming about the lack of video upgrades from Apple, i've been totally hacked-off at the attitude of Apple towards me and others on this Aperture-critical issue. Its a long and very sad story that Apple should be ashamed of. Its 2 days short of 1 year since Apple launched the G5 quad and still they have done NOTHING grrrrrr...
PS One other useful benefit you get from the seperate SATA controller is you can choose and gain from SATA II drives. I'm looking at the WD RE2 drives, 400 or 500GB.
PPS I've been 'stalking' macheaven in the UK, they had the 500P on a ~12% discount, but missed it. Scan seems to have the best prices on drives.
Hope this helps, and appreciate the thoughts of actual eSATA users.
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Hi everybody!
It has been a while I am using a Netstor external HD (NR710C) 4x2TB WD Caviar black, RAID 10 (4TB total space, 2.71 Available, MacOS Extended Journaled).
It is conntected with the MacPro (MacPro 4,1 - early 2009) via a Sonnet Tempo SATA E2P pci card (drivers updated)
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System Version
10.7.3 (11D50d)
Physical RAM
16384 MB
Model
MacPro4,1
Drive Type
WDC WD2001FASS-00W2B0
Disk Test
98.66
Sequential
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130.67 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write
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102.52 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read
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36.04 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read
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114.29 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random
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Uncached Write
21.96
2.33 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write
441.42
141.31 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read
155.38
1.10 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read
242.86
45.06 MB/sec [256K blocks]
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Xbench Version
1.3
System Version
10.7.3 (11D50d)
Physical RAM
16384 MB
Model
MacPro4,1
Drive Type
Netstor H/W RAID10
Disk Test
97.50
Sequential
150.65
Uncached Write
182.92
112.31 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write
144.62
81.83 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read
104.63
30.62 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read
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108.96 MB/sec [256K blocks]
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72.07
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22.29
2.36 MB/sec [4K blocks]
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205.88
65.91 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read
360.62
2.56 MB/sec [4K blocks]
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332.37
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Recently our company upgraded to KONA3 card with the new MAC PRO. We were not aware our External SATA drives would not be 100% compaditable with the MAC PRO. The drives do mount and seem to work fine in Standard Def and compressed HD, but start to drop frames when dealing with Uncompress capturing. Spoke with AJA and was referred to use Fibre or SCSI based on the LH FAQ portion of their site.
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http://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/newreadpost.cgi?forumid=98&postid=862284
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I just purchased a WesternDigital 320GB SATA hard drive (model number WD3200JD) from NewEgg, put it in a CompUSA USB 2.0 3.5" external SATA hard drive enclosure and connected it to a new 5 port USB 2.0 PCI host card in my dual 867 G4 running OS 10.4.5. When I turn the drive on the OS asks me if I would like to initialize, eject or ignore. After clicking initialize Disk Utility opens, the drive shows up in the list, I select it and choose to erase it. Then, beach ball. I have tried this many times, journaled unjournaled, OS9 drivers etc. I have even booted from the Tiger install disk and tried to format the drive and I still get the beach ball. I have tried connecting the drive to every port on the host card. I have repaired permissions and repaired my boot drive. I have opened the enclosure and reconnected the drive. I am at a loss. I have tried this with two SATA drives now, I thought I had a bad drive so I returned the first one and got a new one. So do I have a bad enclosure, USB host card, are there known issues with this configuration?
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malkusHello Again! First click once on the drives icon and then choose a "get info" from the finder. This pane will tell you how the drive is formatted. To format it in disk utility click on the HD icon in the left pane of the disk utility window. There are two items concerning your drive in question. The first one is the hd itself and the other one is whatever you have named the disk. Click on the top one and then choose erase and then click on options and choose the zero option. This will take several hours to erase but when a disk's having problems it's usually wise to zero all the data that's on the disk (if any). Try that and post back with your progress. Tom
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Using the SATA internal connection for an external SATA RAID drive
DP2G G5
THis RAID case:
http://wiebetech.com/products/rt5.php
has an SATA interface on it. Can I snake the internal cable outside somehow & plug it into this case? I can't spare a PCI slot for an SATA card. If not I'll just use the FW800, but it'd be cool to have SATA speeds.
DP2G G5 Mac OS X (10.4.5)THis RAID case:
http://wiebetech.com/products/rt5.php
has an SATA interface on it. Can I snake the
internal cable outside somehow & plug it into this
case? I can't spare a PCI slot for an SATA card.
If
not I'll just use the FW800, but it'd be cool to
have
SATA speeds.
DP2G G5
Mac OS X (10.4.5)
Why would you want to spend $1700 on a SATA enclosure
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it? This expensive 5 bay uses FW800 or SATA. Why not
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WiebeTech has a $59 SATA card with one port or
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$139.95. Get a external SATA host adapter with direct
connect capability for this enclosure. Or if that is
too much get a 5 bay Fusion 500P for $500 and a
separate card. If you have a new PowerMac G5 made
after Oct 2005 then no PCI slots are available and
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http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/amug/reviews/article
s/sonnet/e4p/
Have fun!
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Help: External SATA with ZFS raidz2 extremely slow, freezes system
Hello,
I need some help with the following configuration:
Dell 850 with Intel D940 (3.2 ghz dual core), 1 gig RAM, 2 80 gig SATA drives
Norco DS-1220 external SATA enclosure
(http://www.norcotek.com/item_detail.php?categoryid=12&modelno=ds1220)
Sil3124 4-port SATA card
(http://www.norcotek.com/item_detail.php?categoryid=8&modelno=norco-4618)
8 seagate 7200.10 500 gb sata2 drives
I'm using Solaris 10 x86 u3. It sees the sata card at c3 and the 8 disks as:
/dev/rdsk/c3t2d0p0 /dev/rdsk/c3t545d0p0 /dev/rdsk/c3t608d0p0
/dev/rdsk/c3t3d0p0 /dev/rdsk/c3t576d0p0 /dev/rdsk/c3t609d0p0
/dev/rdsk/c3t544d0p0 /dev/rdsk/c3t577d0p0
I created a raidz2 pool with all 8 drives. It appeared to work OK:
# zpool status array0
pool: array0
state: ONLINE
scrub: none requested
config:
NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM
array0 ONLINE 0 0 0
raidz2 ONLINE 0 0 0
c3t2d0p0 ONLINE 0 0 0
c3t3d0p0 ONLINE 0 0 0
c3t544d0p0 ONLINE 0 0 0
c3t545d0p0 ONLINE 0 0 0
c3t576d0p0 ONLINE 0 0 0
c3t577d0p0 ONLINE 0 0 0
c3t608d0p0 ONLINE 0 0 0
c3t609d0p0 ONLINE 0 0 0
errors: No known data errors
As a quick and dirty test, I did:
time cp -d -r /usr /export/array0/
The /usr partition is about 2.7 gb. So far, after about 2 hours, 680 mb have been copied.
Looking at iostat, I see the following:
# iostat -x -C
extended device statistics
device r/s w/s kr/s kw/s wait actv svc_t %w %b
c0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
sd0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
c3 0.5 11.7 23.4 108.3 2.0 0.4 203.6 0 44
sd1 0.1 1.2 3.4 13.6 0.2 0.1 180.3 1 6
sd2 0.1 1.4 3.0 13.6 0.2 0.1 194.4 2 7
sd3 0.1 1.3 3.3 13.6 0.3 0.1 242.3 4 7
sd4 0.1 1.5 2.8 13.4 0.3 0.1 266.9 3 9
sd5 0.1 1.4 2.5 13.5 0.2 0.0 187.1 1 3
sd6 0.1 1.6 2.6 13.3 0.4 0.1 300.7 3 10
sd7 0.1 1.6 3.0 13.7 0.2 0.0 99.5 0 0
sd8 0.1 1.6 2.8 13.5 0.2 0.0 152.7 1 1
cmdk0 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.4 0 0
cmdk1 12.6 1.4 74.6 16.1 0.1 0.0 5.8 0 2
nfs1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
When I run it with updates, I see a lot of screens like this:
extended device statistics
device r/s w/s kr/s kw/s wait actv svc_t %w %b
c0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
sd0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
c3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0 100
sd1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
sd2 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
sd3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0 100
sd4 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
sd5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
sd6 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
sd7 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
sd8 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
cmdk0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
cmdk1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
nfs1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
The drive with 100 moves between sd1 to sd6 (i think sd7 and sd8 too, but not positive). Sometimes both %w and %b report 100. Also, occasionally, two drives will both report 100. These stay at 100 for 30 seconds or longer, followed by a flurry of data, and then another drive reports 100.
Here's another example:
extended device statistics
device r/s w/s kr/s kw/s wait actv svc_t %w %b
c0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
sd0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
c3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.0 0.0 0 200
sd1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0 100
sd2 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
sd3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0 100
sd4 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
sd5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
sd6 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
sd7 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
sd8 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
cmdk0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
cmdk1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
nfs1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0
Anyone have any ideas what could be causing this? Or if this is a known SATA problem? Or a known problem with the Sil3214 cards or the Sil port multipliers?
Thanks,
GregI was told the port multiplier code in the Solaris and OpenSolaris systems is not production ready. It is a known bug and is being worked on, but no ETA. I was given the impression that it was a low priority issue.
After struggling with this for several days I had to give up using Solaris for this project and had to migrate to Linux. In my case, I had to use CentOS or Red Hat ES due to binary drivers from Silicon Image as the open source Sil3124 drivers in Linux also had problems with port multipliers (slightly different symptoms than Solaris). Even with the binary drivers from the vendor, I am still seeing port multipliers drop all 5 drives at seemingly random times.
Moral of the story: Don't use port multipliers in production environments or anywhere that you value your data. At least, not the Silicon Image 3726 port multipliers. They'll just give you more headaches than they are worth.
Had I the chance to do it over, I would not have purchased the NorcoTek (Norco) DS-1220 enclosure; I would have done something with SCSI or with direct channels to all drives and no port multipliers. One day they'll probably be OK.
I had wanted to use raidz2 for my array. When I switched to Linux I used raid6 (double parity, similar to raidz2), but with the port multipliers dropping 5 drives at a time, I had to reconfigure to raid 1+0. Nice performance, but I'm really annoyed at the loss of capacity. My 5 tb array is now 3 tb. -
Suggestions for: external SATA array with a PCIe SATA card??
Seems like this would be a good idea but have no idea what hardware to be considering.
external SATA array with a PCIe SATA card
Thanks
JohnSeems like this would be a good idea but have no idea
what hardware to be considering.
external SATA array with a PCIe SATA card
Thanks
John
I purchased and internal raid kit, Rocket Raid 2320 card and Maxupgrades kit. This guy will help you get your equipment running with over the phone with personal customer service. He has external configs also.
http://www.maxupgrades.com/istore/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category _id=313&CFID=3649947&CFTOKEN=58951206
Good Luck
Z1&V1user
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