Externally edited Photoshop files are huge when saved back into Aperture 3

I start with an 8MB JPEG photo. I externally edit it in Photoshop Elements 6, and hit "Save". The edited image is saved back into Aperture, but it's now 34MB PSD. Ouch! My hard disk is big but this is over the top. The intent of me moving to Aperture from iPhoto had been to reduce file sizes (masters and versions), not to hugely increase them.
If I use "Save As" and convert it to a JPEG, the saved edited photo vanishes--it isn't in Aperture. I can't find it. If it is saved in some unknown location it is taking up hard disk space uselessly.
Can you help me do this better? I would be most grateful.
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shep222 wrote:>...even if I do zero Photoshop editing I still get this >3 times increase in file size.
Yup. That is how big such files are when not compressed and image data has not been discarded.
It's an Aperture vs. iPhoto thing: When I did Photoshop External Editing in iPhoto (before I switched to Aperture) the original JPEG stays a JPEG when exported to Photoshop. The file size problem does not occur in iPhoto.
That is correct, and is why few if any pros use iPhoto. iPhoto is by definition +low end,+ dumping image files into lossy JPEG by default. A RAW file imported into iPhoto is saved in JPEG unless the user takes special action to export it as TIFF or PSD.
Aperture won't allow it--it seems to insist on converting to PSD for external editing.
Also correct. Aperture is a professional app, and intentionally and repeatedly discarding image data would not be professional workflow.
My JPEG's are top-notch low-compression ones, using the least compression settings in my Olympus micro-4/3 camera (super fine, large image, with 1/2.7 compression). JPEG artefacts have not been an issue even after extensive Photoshop editing.
Agreed, top quality JPEGs can be very useful even though image information has been discarded. Back when RAW DSLR capture was unusably slow I shot many full-page magazine ads using JPEG Fine. But once the (fast) Nikon D2x came out I have always captured RAW and would no way ever again consider far inferior JPEG-only capture.
Perhaps Aperture is not for me, if we can't overcome this issue.
Perhaps. However IMO a far better approach is to shoot RAW and embrace a professional lossless workflow using Aperture. Mass storage is cheap and the benefits of RAW capture are very significant.
Already my Aperture Library is 70GB and I have barely started with it.
The issue of huge Library is due to using a Managed-Masters Library. Switch to RAW capture and a Referenced-Masters Library with the Library on an internal drive and the Masters referenced on external drives and the Library will no longer grow ridiculously large. IMO discarding image data via JPEG compression just to save hard drive space is inappropriate in 2011.
HTH
-Allen Wicks

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