Faster H.264 QT export without recompressing every frame?

Hi everyone, I'm trying to find a faster HDSLR workflow.
Is it possible to export H.264 .MOV without recompressing every frame?
On my HV30 I would export my HDV footage with File: Export: QuickTime movie with 'Current settings' selected. The export would take 1-5 minutes and give me fantastic quality because it would only render the edits and effects..
Now with footage from any DSLR if I do the same thing it completely messes up the exported movie. So I have to use File: Export: Using QuickTime conversion and select the appropriate setings. FCP then renders every frame which gives a perfect image but also takes about 40-60 mins of render time per 5 minutes of final video.
This is the problem - the render time.
Anyone know of any workflow that would eliminate the need to render every frame using canon DSLR's H.264 MOV files?
The best solutions and workflows will be posted in a tutorial my blog nitsantv.wordpress.com as well as nextwavedv.com (I'm a guest writer there) so any help here will be a huge help to lots of other DSLR filmmakers too. (Contributor's will get a link to their site/portfolio)
Please note that i'm trying to make a really fast workflow, so converting to ProRes before editing is not suitable.
I don't think the Epic I software will do anything to help with the matter because from what it says on the website FCP still renders from the original H.264 files when using this software.
Nitsan Simantov
(www.nitsan.info)

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Sorry if my original post was mileading. I was not about to just copy people's answers and post them as an article. but simply write a tutorial on what I found to be the fastest workflow and thank the contributors with links.
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