Faux Double Profiling

I have been having all the symptoms of double profiling contrasty, magenta prints when printing to my HP B9180 from Lightroom 1.4.1. (This also happened with LR 1.1 and 1.3, though I do not remember having problems with LR 1.2.) From my research about double profiling, especially with LR, I know that I am not doing anything obviously wrong and am quite frustrated. Any help or insights would be appreciated.
First the details. I am running Windows XP SP2 and calibrate my screen a Philips 109b CRT and, recently, an HP w2207h LCD with the Spyder. I have absolutely no problem getting prints to match the screen when printing to my second printer, an Epson 1280, from either LR or Photoshop CS3. Also I have had no problems getting a good match when printing to the 9180 from PS. The only troublesome combination is LR and the 9180. From this forum I know that other people have mentioned similar problems, often without satisfactory resolutions.
I know I am not double profiling. To be specific, I use the driver provided by InkJetArt for use with their paper and the B9180 or I use HPs Advanced Photo Paper Glossy with the appropriate HP driver. I select them in LR under Color Management, Profile on the Print Job panel. On the printer driver under color management I select Application Managed Colors.
I have been experimenting for many months and have found that sometimes the print module from LR will produce wonderful prints. Then the next day, with identical settings, the contrasty, magenta effect appears. Once this double profiling effect apparently started when I simply changed the default printer in Control PanelPrinters and Faxes from the 9180 to a Samsung laser printer. This makes no sense.
I have been taking a very scientific approach to this problem, trying to keep all variables except one constant. Yet shifts in color apparently occur for no apparent reason. I have performed closed loop calibrations but this does not have any effect. And I have reinstalled the printer more than once.
One person from the B9180 forum mentioned that sometimes it appears that the printer driver seems to lose its settings. Any tips what to try next?

>Yes Eric did a great job of explaining all this and it appears that he also had input in correcting this problem.
Well Adobe says the update addresses these issues and I see nothing about printing being affected:
>Beyond the following list of bug fixes and existing camera support for the D3X and Olympus E-30 there is also preliminary support for the Epson R-D1x raw format.
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