File Explorer File Enumeration Slowdown in Windows 8.1 - Why?
File enumeration in Windows 8.1 appears to be slowing down.
Here's what I mean:
On a freshly rebooted system (i.e., with few files in the cache), open a File Explorer window on the root folder of drive C:.
Select all the files, then right-click and choose Properties.
TIME how long it takes to finish, and divide the number of files enumerated by the seconds it took to do the enumeration.
Do it again now that the data is all cached.
I've always thought this was a decent way to gauge real world file system responsiveness, and in fact it really was a pretty good benchmark up until Windows 8.1 came along. With Windows 8(.0) and earlier, if you saw more than 30,000 files per
second counted up, you had a very good SSD setup.
On the workstation on which I'm typing this, my Windows 7 x64 installation would enumerate about 30,000 files per second the first time, and about 50,000 files per second the second time, from the RAM cache. I have a very responsive I/O subsystem.
When Windows 8 came out the numbers were about the same, if not a little better.
When Win 8.1 was released they dropped BIG TIME. File enumeration was something like 3 to 1 slower.
Now, with the updates in past months, they appear to have dropped even further!
Right now, with a fresh bootup I am seeing just under 6,000 files per second enumerated the first time, and a bit over 8,000 from the cached data. This is DISMAL by comparison to earlier versions.
Thankfully, typical file system performance - as measured by how long it takes to do real work on a few files in real applications - doesn't seem to have been affected as much, but then most applications don't enumerate lots of files.
It seems likely that this enumeration slowdown affects real operations in Explorer beyond just this file count.
Keep in mind I can run a Windows 7 VM or Windows 8.0 VM on this same hardware and still see 30,000 files/second enumerated inside the VM. My hardware hasn't degraded. The older Windows systems are still just as fast. If
I run a Win 8.1 VM the 6 to 1 slowdown is obvious.
That even the RAM-cached directory data can't be run through nearly as quickly in Win 8.1 says that the slowdown is in the file system implementation.
This isn't a question about why MY workstation is slowing down - it's not. It's about why WINDOWS is becoming less and less efficient out of the box. I have measured and compared progressive slowdowns in virtual machine snapshots
ranging from a fresh, out-of-box installation of Win 8 or 8.1, to one that's been run for years. Something's becoming less efficient IN THE DESIGN.
So...
Why is File Explorer taking longer and longer to simply count up files in folders?
A corollary question is: What else is this slowdown affecting? Explorer doesn't seem as responsive to me as it once did.
I'd hate to think Microsoft is slipping stuff into Windows to cause it to be slower and slower since its release date, just so they can make it look like the next version is faster.
-Noel
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the slowdown is in File Explorer, rather than the file system itself.
Want some more proof? And proof that your system is caching the data that is needed. And proof that stuff may be being ignored by WE which should be counted...
In an elevated cmd window at the desired drive root enter:
D:\>dir/a/s | findstr "File(s) Dir(s)"
The surprise for me is the way the pipe seems to work? Is it really a separate process that doesn't have to wait for the completion of the first stage's output?
Anyway, I might be willing to time that--in fact, it may be possible to automate its timing--but I am definitely not interested in hanging around waiting for the number of
minutes that WE takes to be sure I get an accurate measurement--if you know what I mean. <eg>
And apparently that would not be a fair comparison anyway. WE only finds 2/3 in Size of what the dir finds. I probably need to tweak WE's Options. Finding only 2/3 of what another procedure is finding seems suspect even if it does
take an absurd amount of time longer. The funny thing is that the number of files is almost the same. So, what does that imply: that 1/3 of the Size was contained by some very few which could not be counted?
I should probably also try to convert that pipeline to Powershell and see how it does. That could at least check the dir measurements in one way or another. TBD.
BTW I think I am now on a faster processor than I had with my tx2 but this Surface 2 Pro even with 8 GB RAM still doesn't "scream" for me. I have noticed that its firmware shuts down cores occasionally.
My guess is that could be due to its lack of cooling. My tx2 always had its fans running full. Maybe I will get a different result if I do this test in the winter than now in the middle of summer? <eg>
Robert Aldwinckle
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libmmd.dll Intel(r) C Compiler, Intel(r) C++ Compiler, Intel(r) Fortran Compiler 10.0
LogSession.dll LogSession 2.1.2.1640
mediacoreif.dll DVA Product 6.0.0
MPS.dll MPS 2012/02/03-10:33:13 66.495174 66.495174
msvcm80.dll Microsoft® Visual Studio® 2005 8.00.50727.6195
msvcm90.dll Microsoft® Visual Studio® 2008 9.00.30729.1
msvcp100.dll Microsoft® Visual Studio® 2010 10.00.40219.1
msvcp80.dll Microsoft® Visual Studio® 2005 8.00.50727.6195
msvcp90.dll Microsoft® Visual Studio® 2008 9.00.30729.1
msvcr100.dll Microsoft® Visual Studio® 2010 10.00.40219.1
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msvcr90.dll Microsoft® Visual Studio® 2008 9.00.30729.1
pdfsettings.dll Adobe PDFSettings 1.04
Photoshop.dll Adobe Photoshop CS6 CS6
Plugin.dll Adobe Photoshop CS6 CS6
PlugPlug.dll Adobe(R) CSXS PlugPlug Standard Dll (64 bit) 3.0.0.383
PSArt.dll Adobe Photoshop CS6 CS6
PSViews.dll Adobe Photoshop CS6 CS6
SCCore.dll ScCore 2011/12/14-15:08:46 66.490082 66.490082
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tbb.dll Intel(R) Threading Building Blocks for Windows 3, 0, 2010, 0406
tbbmalloc.dll Intel(R) Threading Building Blocks for Windows 3, 0, 2010, 0406
TfFontMgr.dll FontMgr 9.3.0.113
TfKernel.dll Kernel 9.3.0.113
TFKGEOM.dll Kernel Geom 9.3.0.113
TFUGEOM.dll Adobe, UGeom© 9.3.0.113
updaternotifications.dll Adobe Updater Notifications Library 6.0.0.24 (BuildVersion: 1.0; BuildDate: BUILDDATETIME) 6.0.0.24
WRServices.dll WRServices Friday January 27 2012 13:22:12 Build 0.17112 0.17112
wu3d.dll U3D Writer 9.3.0.113
Required plug-ins:
3D Studio 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Accented Edges 13.0
Adaptive Wide Angle 13.0
ADM 3.11x01
Angled Strokes 13.0
Average 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Bas Relief 13.0
BMP 13.0
Camera Raw 7.0
Chalk & Charcoal 13.0
Charcoal 13.0
Chrome 13.0
Cineon 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Clouds 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Collada 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Color Halftone 13.0
Colored Pencil 13.0
CompuServe GIF 13.0
Conté Crayon 13.0
Craquelure 13.0
Crop and Straighten Photos 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Crop and Straighten Photos Filter 13.0
Crosshatch 13.0
Crystallize 13.0
Cutout 13.0
Dark Strokes 13.0
De-Interlace 13.0
Dicom 13.0
Difference Clouds 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Diffuse Glow 13.0
Displace 13.0
Dry Brush 13.0
Eazel Acquire 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Embed Watermark 4.0
Entropy 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Extrude 13.0
FastCore Routines 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Fibers 13.0
Film Grain 13.0
Filter Gallery 13.0
Flash 3D 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Fresco 13.0
Glass 13.0
Glowing Edges 13.0
Google Earth 4 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Grain 13.0
Graphic Pen 13.0
Halftone Pattern 13.0
HDRMergeUI 13.0
IFF Format 13.0
Ink Outlines 13.0
JPEG 2000 13.0
Kurtosis 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Lens Blur 13.0
Lens Correction 13.0
Lens Flare 13.0
Liquify 13.0
Matlab Operation 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Maximum 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Mean 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Measurement Core 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Median 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Mezzotint 13.0
Minimum 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
MMXCore Routines 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Mosaic Tiles 13.0
Multiprocessor Support 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Neon Glow 13.0
Note Paper 13.0
NTSC Colors 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Ocean Ripple 13.0
Oil Paint 13.0
OpenEXR 13.0
Paint Daubs 13.0
Palette Knife 13.0
Patchwork 13.0
Paths to Illustrator 13.0
PCX 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Photocopy 13.0
Photoshop 3D Engine 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Picture Package Filter 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Pinch 13.0
Pixar 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Plaster 13.0
Plastic Wrap 13.0
PNG 13.0
Pointillize 13.0
Polar Coordinates 13.0
Portable Bit Map 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Poster Edges 13.0
Radial Blur 13.0
Radiance 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Range 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Read Watermark 4.0
Reticulation 13.0
Ripple 13.0
Rough Pastels 13.0
Save for Web 13.0
ScriptingSupport 13.0
Shear 13.0
Skewness 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Smart Blur 13.0
Smudge Stick 13.0
Solarize 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Spatter 13.0
Spherize 13.0
Sponge 13.0
Sprayed Strokes 13.0
Stained Glass 13.0
Stamp 13.0
Standard Deviation 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Sumi-e 13.0
Summation 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Targa 13.0
Texturizer 13.0
Tiles 13.0
Torn Edges 13.0
Twirl 13.0
U3D 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Underpainting 13.0
Vanishing Point 13.0
Variance 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Variations 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Water Paper 13.0
Watercolor 13.0
Wave 13.0
Wavefront|OBJ 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
WIA Support 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
Wind 13.0
Wireless Bitmap 13.0 (13.0 20120305.m.415 2012/03/05:21:00:00)
ZigZag 13.0
Optional and third party plug-ins: NONE
Plug-ins that failed to load: NONE
Flash:
Mini Bridge
Kuler
Installed TWAIN devices: NONEMost likely the explorer crashed while trying to create a preview/thumbnail of one of the files in the directory.
Do you have any third party shell extensions that provide thumbnails? -
I have mountain lion OSX and parallels with Windows. Every time I click on a hyperlink in other applications it opens - some 7 Zip file explorer inside Parallels but doesn't go to Safari. Does anyone know solution?
I suggest that you run software update, after which you should have Safari 6.0.5 - then check Safari - Preferences - Privacy & see that 'Block cookies' is not set to Always.
Failing that - switch Safari extensions Off via Safari - Preferences - Extensions & test again -
Windows 8 file explorer not recognizing my ipod touch
when I connect my ipod to my new laptop ( windows 8 ), it shows up in itunes but not on my file explorer. If i go to control panel it shows up in devices.
any ideas ?Apple will not help you fix your jailbroken iPod. Have you tried to place he iPod in recovery mode and then restore via iTunes. For recovery mode:
iPhone and iPod touch: Unable to update or restore
Next try DFU mode.
How to put iPod touch / iPhone into DFU mode « Karthik's scribblings -
Question about Windows File Explorer and offline attribute display
In previous releases of Windows (including Windows 8), Windows File Explorer would display a small "x" icon if the offline file attribute was set. In Windows 8.1, Windows File Explorer no longer displays the "x" icon if the offline
file attribute is set. Is there a reason this behavior was changed? Is there an option to get the old behavior of displaying the "x" icon?Hello Ed Winn,
What ‘x’ icon do you mean?
Please share us the screenshots to compare.
Based on my test, I can’t find the ‘x’ icon in the offline folder both in Windows 7 and Windows 8.1.
Best regards,
Fangzhou CHEN
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