Firmed planned order creates a type of firmed horizon

Hi Gurus,
we had following system behavior the other day (actually a few months ago) that we weren't able to explain.
It was beginning of November and a colleague of mine was creating his production schedule for the week before x-mas (i.e. another 7 weeks in the future). He was working at it and was called away for something and postponed the planning to another day in the week. The next morning he noticed that the MRP considered everything between today (must have been around the 5th of November) up until the 18th of December (the day he had firmed the planned order to) as a firmed horizon and didn't want to put any planned order inside.
Even worse... all planned orders created by the MRP - now scheduled for after the 18th - had an exception message to schedule them in, as they came too late.
Did anybody ever experience this behavior? If yes, please let me know, where I can manipulate this!
Any help greatly appreciated!
Thanks & regards,
Bobby

Hi Rupesh,
first of all: thanks for joining!
here are the answers to your questions:
1.) lot-size = EX (i.e. not periodic)
2.) no overlaps defined for EX in OMI4
3.) no time fence and the rescheduling horizon is set to 100 days
Looking at the rescheduling horizon and what is described in the OSS-note, I think I found it. The system actually works as designed. What we failed to do was to update the factory calendar with the downtime over x-mas back then. If we had done so, the demand would have been pulled forward, which means that the firmed order would have been consumed, instead the demand was distributed over the following for weeks.
With the rescheduling horizon being so long, the system used the firmed order to cover all up-coming demands first using the firmed order before the MRP created other planned orders. It just happened that this one order was so big that it covered everything until then and that it looked like a "firm period".
Thx for your help!
Points will be awarded for pointing in the right direction...
Regards,
Bobby

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Hi,
It will use only if you use MRP group in material master MRP1 view.
Goto OPPR by entering strategy group ex. 0010
In that Check Consumption mode & Define roll forward period.
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Hi Gurus,
I am using strategy 50 for one of my materials and when i create sales order agains that material a firmed planned order is created automatically. As this is firmed planned order in case i stock in material for that sales order and fullfill its requirement and run MD50 MRP against sales order. The planned order still exists as it is firmed where as i need it to be deleted after running MD50, because required quantity has been fullfilled using transfer posting from another stock. Please suggest how can i achieve it. Is there any configuration available to create unfirmed planned orders instead of firmed planned orders against sales orders? as unfirmed planned orders get deleted after executing MD50 in such a scenario.
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Dear,
What is your MRP type for these material? Use PD and check
Check the planning time fence field for those materials. If the requirements are within the planning time fence, then it will create firmed planned orders.
Go to OPP1Master Data- > Check MRP Types--- here, on "Control parameters" tab you can find the desired field called "Firming type". Make it bank then system will not create the Firmed planned order.
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Re: firmed planned orders
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We are using the production versions. Individual / collective reqmts is 1. Planning time fence is not maintained.
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Thanks all for your feedback..
@ Vishal
1. Yes, Both Old firmed planned order and newly generated planned order have the same grid value
2. For both the planned orders :
Special Stock is E u2013 Orders on hand,
Consumption is V,
Sales order is the same (As we are using MTO , Strategy 21) and same WBS element.
3. First planned order is not in the assigned tab of MD04. This means that has been allocated to some object. u2013 I didu2019nt got this point. Can u please elaborate?
@ Nikhil
1. Quantity of sales order is not reducing after firming the sales order
2. Account assignment category for both the planned orders is u201CZu201D - Indiv.cust./project
I have made some more observations and found the following differences between the two planned orders
From MD04 , keep the cursor on corresponding planned order
& click on upward arrow ( available on bottom side of the report).
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u201D*And the following data is present:
Planned dates: 04.07.2010
MRP element No. 3100001185 (Sales Order No.)
MRP element item 100
Scheduling No. is 1
MRP element indicator - VC u2013 Order
MRP element data- 3100001185/000100/0001
Plng segment u2013 3100001185000100000
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MRP element u2013 Order
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if we change firmed planned order to unfirm planned order ,is there any effect on WIP and routing changes?
please respond with an answer.
Regards
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Edited by: REKHA MAHAJAN on Mar 31, 2008 1:34 PM

Hi Rekha ,
planned order Unfirmed -
will allow automatic changes with respect to requirement
planned order firmed -
Any manual change in the planned order is called firmed
and will not allow any automatic changes with respect to requirement
Planned order is just the requirement only there will no change in the WIP .
for example : you have some requirement say PIR is 50 on 31st march you perform MRP
by selecting the MRP type so that you will get firmed planned order for 50
on 1st you have another requirement ( PIR ) for 100 and if you perform MRP again system will create another planned order if this is also firmed . you need to convert manually into production order.
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Automatic Firmed Planned Order / Mass Change Planned Order

Hi PP Gurus,
My requirement is I want to make all planned order created from planning run will be automatically firmed. I tried several option :
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PIR
09/2011     3 pc
10/2011     4 pc
end of planning time fence date
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_46c/helpdata/en/9e/e84226c1c311d3b54a0004ac160649/content.htm
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Any other idea to solve my requirement is welcome.
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Arman Lie

Dear Arman,
Use T.Code MD19 for firming the planned orders,also check MDBA for firming the planned order.
For your first question let me check and revert back.
Regards
Mangalraj.S

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Hi,
MRP-type is customized with firming-type '2-Automatic firming and order proposals rescheduled out'.
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Dear,
Let us understand with an example
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Dear Master,
Here i am working on LTP or PP-PI industry but i am enable to understand meaning of Firmed Planned order and
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Roll forward period
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cookie

HI,
Check the link
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_45B/helpdata/en/f4/7d2ca444af11d182b40000e829fbfe/frameset.htm
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Message was edited by:
user447176

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Hi all ,
Is there any batch programm which can in background automatically de-firm planned orders that are not dispachted??
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Edited by: HConsi on Sep 30, 2009 12:18 PM

HConsi,
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Hi,
I want to delete the firmed planned orders & Purchase Requisitions for Multiple plants,(Not using MRP Run) so can any one advise me if there is any SAP standard transaction or Program available.
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regards,
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Hi,
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