Having problems upgrading from Panther to Tiger

Hi there!
I'm new to this place, but very desperate to find answers. I have been trying to upgrade from panther to tiger for the past week and have gotten a mess. I have to restore my old panther system after a panic kernal while trying to install tiger. I have tried to upgrade, install and archive and erase and install tiger and the same keeps happening: after 30-30% installation of essentials, I get a "try installing again" message and immediately goes to a blank blue screen. I have to reboot from my eDisk on the external hd and re-install my old system. I've done EVERYTHING I can find on the web and in the install suggestions. Everything has been updated (firmware, sofware, etc.), I tired disconnecting external devices except the keyboard and the external dvd I need to install and still the same thing...over and over and over!
So, now I'm down to the fact that I need to install CDs (internal) instead of DVD off the external drive. However, when I went and downloaded the form for the exchange the Tiger versions listed (MA453Z/A, MA454Z/A) do not coincide with the version I purchased (M96397/A). So I'm trying to figure out what this version is that I purchased and if it has anything to do with my big install mess!
So, any ideas out there? Glad to hear your input!

Call 1-800-MY-APPLE WRT media exchange program and the DVD version you have.

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I'm getting ready to upgrade from 10.3.9 to 10.4 and want to avoid all the issues with Mail that I have been reading about. In the README on the installation disk it says:
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If you have a shared home folder and you access a POP email account using Mail in both Mac OS X Panther and Mac OS X Tiger, you will not see messages that you retrieve in one version when you switch to the other.
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If you install Tiger over Panther on the same partition, you will not have separate Home folders/directories.
I've been using the Mail.app exclusively since Jaguar was introduced, thru Panther and now Tiger. I installed Tiger over Panther via an Archive & Install selecting preserve user and network settings without experiencing any problems with my Mail.app data or with anything else but I backed up my data beforehand just in case which is a good idea regardless. I used SuperDuper! to create a bootable clone of my hard drive with Panther installed saved to a Firewire drive before installing Tiger.
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Before upgrading to Tiger, I didn't allow any mailbox to exceed 500MB or so in size and I used the Rebuild Mailbox function on the most active mailboxes on a regular basis. I used the Rebuild Mailbox function on all Panther Mail.app mailboxes before upgrading to Tiger. If you do this, you should be fine but a backup of the entire Mail folder at Home > Library > Mail is your insurance in case something goes wrong with the mbox conversion process to Tiger Mail with one or several mailboxes stored locally on the hard drive.
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The following procedure is meant to fix the incomplete conversion of a POP account’s Inbox. A similar procedure should allow you to fix other mailboxes that might also be affected:
1. Quit Mail if it’s running.
2. Make a backup copy of the ~/Library/Mail folder, just in case something goes wrong while trying to fix the problem. You can do this in the Finder by dragging the folder to the Desktop while holding the Option (Alt) key down, for example. This is where all your mail is stored.
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4. In the Finder, go to ~/Library/Mail/POP-username@mailserver/INBOX.mbox/.
5. Move the files mbox and Incoming_Mail out of INBOX.mbox, into the Inbox Old folder just created on the Desktop. These files contain all the messages that were in the mailbox before the upgrade to Tiger, and maybe even some messages that had been deleted. mbox is the most important. Incoming_Mail may or may not be present.
6. Move any strangely-named Messages-T0x... folders to the Desktop (not into the Inbox Old folder). These folders are to be deleted after fixing the problem. They are temporary folders created during an import or an indexing process, and Mail should have deleted them when done. Their presence is a clear indication that something didn’t work as expected. If you’ve been using Mail after the conversion and have already tried to fix the problem by rebuilding the mailbox or something like that, they might contain messages that are neither in Messages proper nor in the mbox file, so keep them around until the problem is fixed.
7. Move everything else within INBOX.mbox, except the Messages folder, to the Trash.
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10. In Mail, do File > Import Mailboxes, choose Other as the data format, and follow the instructions to import the Inbox Old folder that’s on the Desktop.
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If all is well and you don’t miss anything, the files on the Desktop can be deleted, although you may want to keep them for a while, just in case.
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Ask for any clarifications or if you need further assistance.
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Thanks for the link, baltwo!
This got me some good info on how mail messages are stored in Tiger, but unfortunately, I still can't find the missing messages, which were in the inbox in 10.3, but didn't show up following the 10,4 upgrade. I found the inbox folder, and it only seems to have the current files, can't track down any evidence of the missing files.
Thanks again for the reply - very much appreciated.

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