HDV to Pro Res 422 HQ, how would you do it?

I am shortly going to short some HDV 1080' and deliver it to the customer after I've edited it, on a hard disc as Pro Res 422 HQ 1920 x 1080.
Last time I simply ingested the HDV in the normal way and exported to Pro Res using "make Quick Time Movie".
Should I have injested the footage from HDV, direct to Pro Res 422 HQ and edited this and then outputed the Pro Res 422 HQ edit master? In other words did I needlessly encode the material twice when I did it before?

Why can't I simply change the "Capture settings" to Pro Res HQ?
Because FCP doesn't do that via firewire. The data rate is too high. It only does ProRes 422 via firewire.
Now you are getting into professional workflows, and for that you need professional hardware.
Why do I need to sling my Macbook Pro in the bin and start all over again, because I presume a capture card wont go in a laptop.
You presume incorrectly. The Matrox MXO2 and MXO2 LE will work on a laptop just fine. I use my MXO2 all the time on mine. BUT...here's the rub. You can't capture 1920x1080 29.97 at ProRes HQ. Well, you can, but not for long durations. Because the encoding of that needs to be handled by the processor, and you need at least a Quad Core to do that, laptops are Dual core. BUT, you can get the AJA IO HD, that works on a laptop too, and has a ProRes encoder built in. Issue is that it is $3400, while the MXO2 LE is $1000 (that encoder adds a lot).
I think it would be best to capture as HDV, then use the Media Manager to Recompress to ProRes HQ. Because they might want full raster ProRes and HDV>ProRes gets you anamorphic ProRes. I believe the Media Manager will make it Full Raster. As will Compressor.
Shane

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My current project has a timeline of 1080i HDV footage that was down converted to DV. My question is when we want to up convert which is better.
1. Make the sequence offline and re-capture at Pro Res 422
2. Convert the DV sequence to Pro Res 422
If we go with option 1. will the timecodes match what is in the sequence if I bring it in via Firewire or should it go through a capture card like the KONA 3?
Thanks for any advice you can give me.

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FCX transcoding media is only in apple pro res 422? how to choose proper apple pro res format

I have imported some footage shot witha dslr camera in FCX [(1280 × 720, H.264, AAC, HD (1-1-1)], I have immediately transcoded in high quality to have better format to edit with, my question is can I choose other apple pro res (non for this case) quality format, (422 high quality or 4444) to convert into?
whats is the the proper apple pro res format to choose relating any codec?

Filmbarber wrote:
So now what I do is, I use Final Cut Pro 7 to ingest and transcode the footage. The rest in Final Cut Pro X. Is there any better solution?
Just to throw another 2¢ into this.
Agree with what AndyNick
says about PR HQ being overkill for footage originally shot in 4:2:0. – with the possible exception that in some cases graphics and the grading of those might benefit.
If storage isn't an issue – and if your computers are beefy enough to push these big files around – then it''s hard to see any downside, if you decide to use the HQ flavor. In which case, I would say there is no better solution than using the Log & Transfer function of FCP7 for the transcode. It could also be done in Compressor (slower) or MPEG Streamclip (faster), but in neither case would it give you the combination of control and speed as FCP 7 L&T.
Good luck.
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HDV or Apple Pro-Res 422???????

ok i have an cannon xh-a1. and if i want to get the top quality which one do i use? would i use HDV or Apple Pro-Res 422, and then which one would i export in to get the top quality.
or are there any other ways to get the best quality. Thanks

A simple answer? OK here it is: You bought the wrong computer for doing what you want to do. You should have bought a MacPro, an external drive array, and a 3rd party capture device such as an Aja IoHD or Kona LHe.
That's your simple answer. However, as is often true in life, simple isn't the same as easy. Golf is a simple game, but it's far from easy.
If you have clients paying you money to produce video projects, then you should buy the tools for the job that won't let you, and your clients, down. You might be able to edit with an iMac, but it can let you down when you most need it to perform.
I would never recommend the iMac for a video business. You cannot expand it with 3rd party cards or powerful-enough external storage.
I know that is not possible for you, so of all the bad choices you have in front of you, the least bad is to edit HDV. Forget about your quest for "the best quality". That ship sailed when you chose your iMac. Even editing HDV, you might be disappointed in your iMac's performance from time to time.
For an external Firewire drive, I'd recommend a Burly enclosure (from MacGurus) with a removable drive tray and a Seagate 7200.11 SATA drive. Do not buy a LaCie or a Western Digital MyBook.
Sorry, but this is a realistic answer.

PRO RES 422 HQ from color to fcp to HDV 1080i tape

Have just thrown myself off a bridge due to frustration. Filmed a holiday movie a few years ago on HDV Pal and taught myself color on the project after completing it on FCP. I have spent 3 months of my spare time getting it looking how I want it and have just sent it back to FCP for outputting. Everything hunky dory so far except when I came to print to video (back to HDV for archiving) I'm being told that I can't print that seq to tape. Presumably because PRO RES 422 won't go to HDV. Is that so and do I have any answers?

For having just thrown yourself off a bridge, your grammar, spelling, and punctuation are impeccable.
You are correct. A ProRes sequence will not go to HDV. You must place your ProRes sequence into a new HDV sequence, render/conform, and print that to HDV tape.
When you're going out via firewire, you pretty much have to match your sequence settings to your deck settings, DV>DV, HDV>HDV. Hardware capture cards/boxes by AJA & Blackmagic can up/down/cross convert on the fly, but not a direct firewire connection.
So, use your ProRes sequence to create the DVD, and create an HDV sequence to archive it to a tape.
And stop throwing yourself off bridges.

How can I set FCPX to import my footage as Pro Res 422?

I am having difficulty getting nice clean chroma keys due to the fact that all my footage is being imported with the H.264 codecs. I have the project properties to render as Pro Res 422, but that as I understand it, will only change my footage for the final output.
I tried to find a place in the Properties->Import to see if I can tell FCPX 10.0.8 to import the footage at a higher quality so that the keyeing effect creates better masks. Where can I set FCPX to import my footage as ProRes 422?
I would greatly appreciate anyone's input as I have been trying to figure it out and am at a complete loss at this point.
Thank you so much in advance for your help!
~Heather
PS:
Here is where it says my footage is H.264 - where can I change this?

I do always check the optimize media box, but still have a hard time smoothing out jagged edges on greenscreen footage. I assumed it was because the keyer was being applied to H.264 footage instead of ProRes 422 footage.
Which codecs is the effect being applied to if I drag it onto the clip in my timeline? I am doing playback with optimized media if that makes a difference. It is quite possible I confused myself.
Thanks for your help, Tom!

HDV Capture as Pro Res 422

I have captured my 50i HDV footage using the Pro Res 422 codec, but when I look at the captured files in finder they are marked simply as text files?
Is this normal?
I can open the files up in quicktime, but when I try to import them into a new project I cannot?
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The 7.0.2 update is contained in the ProAppsUpdate 2010-01 which is accessed via Software Updater under the apple menu.
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Hi there. I shot with a nikon d7000. The clips look great on the viewer but quite bad on canvas (also after its been exported) I converted my clips to apple pro res 422 using mpeg streamclip. The size I used was 1920 x 1080. How can I fix these?

Hi there. I shot with a nikon d7000. The clips look great on the viewer but quite bad on canvas (also after its been exported) I converted my clips to apple pro res 422 using mpeg streamclip. The size I used was 1920 x 1080. How can I fix this?

This is the clip:
This is the sequence:
I know they both should match. Question is, should I re convert the clips in mpeg using different size settings? Or should I change the sequence settings? how?
Thanks A LOT.

Specs for cutting in Pro Res 422 HQ

What sort of system specs do I need to edit in Pro Res 422 HQ with decent non-nightmarish results? I'm getting a FW800 G-Raid drive loaded with a large (80 minute) Quicktime file in HD, Pro Res 422HQ. I'm running a 2.8ghz Quad Intel, with 8gb of memory. I also have a CalDigit S2VR Duo that I can move the footage over to if necessary. Any thoughts would be sincerely appreciated. Thanks

For having just thrown yourself off a bridge, your grammar, spelling, and punctuation are impeccable.
You are correct. A ProRes sequence will not go to HDV. You must place your ProRes sequence into a new HDV sequence, render/conform, and print that to HDV tape.
When you're going out via firewire, you pretty much have to match your sequence settings to your deck settings, DV>DV, HDV>HDV. Hardware capture cards/boxes by AJA & Blackmagic can up/down/cross convert on the fly, but not a direct firewire connection.
So, use your ProRes sequence to create the DVD, and create an HDV sequence to archive it to a tape.
And stop throwing yourself off bridges.

Speed of conversion into Pro Res 422

Has anyone done a test to check the speed of a conversion from HD to Pro Res 422 using compressor?
example 1- a 10 minute clip in HD converted to Pro Res 422 using compressor takes . . .
example 2- a 10 minute clip in HDV conveted to Pro Res 422 using compressor takes . . .
also, does the meta data come across during the recompress (ie the timecode)?

Ok, at least one of them:
I converted a HDV "reference" export of 7 minutes to ProRes 422 HQ and it took about 16 minutes on a G5 Quad, 4GB memory using the second internal drive for source and results.
I did it a couple of ways: using the smart defaults, and then tweaking it a bit to get rid of "jaggies" on all edges. I can't make them go away when viewing the resulting ProRes 422 HQ movie in Quicktime: tried changing QT to deinterlace, HIgh Quality, and all other known variants: no dice. It actually looks like what compressor 2 would do when down converting HDV to SD directly without the Bonzai workaround. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.
I was at the FCS 2 seminar in San Francisco on Tuesday, and their ProRes stuff looked great, so I don't know if it's because I started with HDV or what, but my HDV video in Quicktimes look MUCH better than my ProRess 422 HQ.
The PR422 file size is and data rate are big enough; 220mb/s data rate and 10.6GB file. Hmmmmmmm.
Anyone got a clue?
Ed

Uncompressed vs Pro Res 422 (LT) as archival codec and as editing codec

Hi -
I'm working on a project where we will be capturing 600 hours of footage from Hi8 tapes. The tapes are in somewhat iffy condition so we're only going to get one pass with them and that's it.
We've agreed with the owner of the tapes to digitize all of them for archival purposes, after which we will make a backup copy for us to edit with. We want to use Pro Res 422 (LT) as our editing codec, but there's some question about what codec we should use for archival purposes -- Pro Res 422 (LT) or uncompressed 10-bit 4:2:2.
Basically, the debate is, given that the Hi8 format retains a relatively small amount of data, is there a benefit in terms of quality if we archive the tapes in uncompressed, or will the quality be just as good if we deliver in Pro Res LT to the archive?
Thanks!

Because while we would prefer Pro Res as our editing codec, the people to whom we will deliver an archival set of the material may insist on uncompressed.
Please -- no more questions about why I'm asking this question.
What I am hoping for here is a brief, to-the-point comparison of the pros and cons in terms of video quality of the two codecs (but something a little more informative than 'filet mignon' and 'hamburger').
I'm aware of the white papers, but I'd like to get the opinion of people with experience and knowledge who don't work for Apple who could boil it down --
Is Pro Res a good codec for archiving material, and how much if anything would be lost if we delivered to the archival house on Pro Res rather than uncompressed?
What argument, if any, can we make to an archival house that is leaning toward uncompressed that Pro Res will work as well for them? At the risk of answering my own question, would we be correct in saying that the image quality would be effectively as good with either codec (given that we're digitizing from Hi-8 tapes) and that delivering in Pro Res would save them a great deal of storage space?
As a reminder, we're talking about 600 hours of Hi-8 footage here. Thanks.

Log and Transfer: Options besides Apple Pro Res 422 ?

Hi, I am now using a camcorder that records files to a card. When I use Log and Transfer in FCP, the resulting files default to Apple Pro Res 422, which are absolutely huge. Is there a way to set this up to transfer to a smaller file type, maybe of a quality similar to HDV?
Thanks, BOb

There's a reason HDV files are small - they're highly compressed files. Final Cut is a professional product - it's built for high quality video, which requires storage space.
In some instances can change Log and Transfer preferences to transcode to ProRes422 LT, which is a lighter weight version of ProRes422. The files will be smaller, but they probably won't be as small as you're hoping they will be.
Open the Log and Transfer window. On the upper region there will be a gear, pick that and pick preferences. Find the camera type you're using and change the Target Format to ProRes422 LT if possible. As you did not tell us what kind of camera this is it is impossible to tell which one you need to change.
All that said, storage is pretty cheap. If you don't do a whole lot of editing a 320gb G-Drive Slim for $80 would be a great investment. If that isn't an option and you really need small files I would suggest editing in iMovie. I believe it converts everything to H.264, which is very small in comparison to ProRes. Don't try editing H.264 in FCP.

Exporting AVI to Apple Pro Res 422

I am using Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 4.2.1 and I would like to export my source file (AVI) to Apple Pro Res 422. Is that possible?
If not, which format do I export my video to be used on a Mac running Final Cut Pro. I realize I can export using Quicktime, but then Final Cut Pro would have to render the video. I am hoping to avoid the additional rendering step.

Open the AVI file in MPEG Streamclip, and choose prores 422 as the export option, and see if that works.
Here Is A Link To A Tutorial On How To Do It

Apple Pro Res 422 versus Apple Intermediate Codec

I'm new to the world of FCE HD. I'm transfering video from a Canon HG10 to my MacBookPro and storing on an external drive. Earlier projects are bringing in video with Apple Intermediate Codec compressor... no problems, editing doesn't require rendering... Now video is being brought in as Apple Pro Res 422. The Pro Res is requiring that I render everything once I bring it from the viewer to the canvas. I've searched all menus, preferences and settings looking for where and how to change this setting. Does anyone have a solution to this snag?
The data rate for Pro Res 422 is 15.3mb/s and for Apple intermediate codec is 9.9
None of this makes sense to me... please assist.

Hi(Bonjour)!
How did you convert to ProRes 422?
ProRes 422 codec is a part of final cut studio 2.
FCE HD cannot edit nor render in ProRes like Final Cut Pro. You material havs to be NTSC, PAL or AVCHD and HDV (converted to Apple Intermediate Codec).
Michel Boissonneault

Apple pro res 422 file consuming more space than usual

hi everyone!
I've been working with FCP 7 since 2008 and at the same time I started working with Canon T2 from 2 years ago and I haven't had any problems with my FCP workflow files, editing and output used to be H. 264 based files until I started to have problems with my hd DSRL projects. Recently when editing the audio went out of sync and I was suggested to change the Quicktime video settings from FCP 7 to imovie (which is th application I commonly use to create chapters and share to iDVD) this worked perfectly. It was the first time I which I had to change the Quictime Settings to Apple Pro Res 422 The Out of sync problem was resolved but the space consumed by the file was enourmosly ncreased instead. ie. A 5 min project usually would take like a 500 mbs quicktime file and now using the Apple Pro Res 422 this 5 min project went up to 5.3 Ggs!! And also the exporting process is taking forever!! For instance I'm working with a 30 min project and the Quicktime conversion never ends. It's taking about 12 hrs and is not taking more than the 20% of the process. Is there something I'm doing wrong? I need help in a extremely urgent way! Thank you all guys! And best regards from Mexico!!
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>using the Apple Pro Res 422 this 5 min project went up to 5.3 Ggs
That's about right for a ProRes 422 file. High quality video takes a lot of space. It's sufficient to use the lighter ProRes LT for the footage from your T2 by the way. Your MacPro can also have up to 4 hard drives for plenty of storage.
Why are you using QuickTime Conversion?
Exporting to QuickTime with current settings and self contained is the better way. Then you use Compressor to make your delivery format from that master. Compressor is faster because it can take advantage of multiple cores - FCP doesn't. It will also give you far more control and choice over the encoding.

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