HELP! Artifacts pop up when after refine edge applied to selection!

I have had PS Elements 7.0 for 2 years and it always ran fine. A few months ago a problem came up. It always happens when I'm working with the smart brush tool or lasso, I'll make a selection and refine the edge or feather, and suddenly my selection will go crazy and pixilate or the whole picture will get line artifacts running through. When it first started happening, I would simply close down the program and reopen it. Then I'd be able to work on maybe 30 photos before it'd happen again. Unfortunately, the problem got progressively worse, until finally, I just uninstalled it and re-installed it. That didn't help, so I uninstalled it again and bought Elements 9.0. That didn't solve it either! The problem has gotten so bad that I can't even edit one picture! YIKES! So I called Adobe twice and they couldn't figure it out...they were in my computer and saw the problem as it was happening but were totally stumped! I took my computer (Windows 7 64 bit) in to the place that built it for me last year, and the guys installed a new motherboard and operating system, but the problem is still happening. The latest, is that I have a loaner laptop (Windows XP-different operating system) with my copy of Elements 9 installed on it (so that ideally, I could finally get some work done!) and guess what, it's doing it AGAIN!! Have you ever heard of anything like this? I'm so desperate for a solution that at this point I'll try anything!!
In addition, it has started doing it with the Correct Camera Distortion -- vignette filter!

Two things to check on your Win7 x64 computer:
Start...Control Panel...Display will show this window. Make sure you have the default text size selected:
In the left panel, select "Change display settings" and ensure the right display is selected and the highest (recommended) resolution is set, as well as the correct orientation:
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If you change any of these settings, restart your computer before testing PSE9 again.
Ken

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