How do I find the creation date of a pdf file when the user did not enter one (doesn't show up in properties)?

I can't find the stamp in properties, etc.. does not show up. I do not know how to otherwise get the date. This is Version 1.4  (Acrobat 5.x) DPE build 5095

The data is not there at all. My mention of hidden metadata (perhaps confusing) is to emphasise that there IS NO hidden metadata, because that would be a Bad Thing.

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