How to install Classic without original 10.4 discs?

I just bought a used emac g4 1 ghz as a backup to my emac g4 1.25 ghz. I have 10.3.9 on my 1,25 ghz emac and when I received this used emac I discovered it had 10.4.8 installed...but no classic. I still have a couple classic programs I use, so I was wondering if there is anyway to install classic in the 10.4.8 even though I didn't get the Tiger discs with the computer. I do have the original 10.3 discs for both my 1.25 ghz emac and this 1.0 ghz emac, but is there anyway to install just classic without erasing the 10.4.8???
Thank you for any help.

andrews424, Welcome to the discussion area!
See a brody's user tip "Restoring Mac OS 9 on a bootable Mac".
It has all the directions.

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