How to keep crop marks when saving as PDF

In Illustrator CS5, I have some artwork which has 3mm bleeds all around.  The printing shop requires me to provide the artwork with the bleed and also the crop marks showing as well in PDF format.  But whenever I save as PDF, Illustrator doesn't show the crop marks I have made.  I've tried selecting print trim marks in the save as dialog boxes, but this only puts marks right at the edges, after the bleed areas, making the trimming marks incorrectly placed.  I'm pulling my hair out!!  Please can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Thanks in advance!!
Joe

That didn't work for me.  In fact, the only way I could get it correctly was to enlarge my artwork to extend over the artboard and then when saving as PDF to tick the printer trim marks boxes.  Not as easy or straightforward as with a crop mark, but it seems to be working now.
Thanks anyway for all your input!

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