I am looking for Java-based technology for building nice looking Web apps

Hi everybody,
As written in subject - I would like to use some nice web technology, based on Java. I would like to build good-looking web pages. I have tried a bit of Dojo or JQuery (generally this is Ajax I think). Could someone point me what is the relation between Java application/technology and presentation layer of the application? For example, could I easily build nice Web application only with JSF? Or should I connect it with some Ajax-based library?
If Ajax is best solution - what are your favourite Ajax implementations?
What about other technologies: portlets, EJB? Thanks in advance for some info - even general.

DCVer wrote:
As written in subject - I would like to use some nice web technology, based on Java. I would like to build good-looking web pages. I have tried a bit of Dojo or JQuery (generally this is Ajax I think). I think you need to start to learn the basics properly. I've summed up several links here: [http://forums.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5404443].
Could someone point me what is the relation between Java application/technology and presentation layer of the application? For example, could I easily build nice Web application only with JSF? Or should I connect it with some Ajax-based library?Java/JSF is entirely server side.
JS/Ajax is entirely client side.
In JSF world there are several component libraries with builtin ajaxical (and skinnability -this also covers "nice looking" as you say) support, such as RichFaces and IceFaces. Give their homepage and demo's a look.
If Ajax is best solution - what are your favourite Ajax implementations?I myself have jQuery on #1.

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Subject: RE: Java-based Client for Forte/IIOP
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We have deployed an application using JDK 1.1.6,
Swing 1.0.3, Visibroker 3.2, and Forte 3.0.G.2.
We are also using Forte's Java Interoperability
Service.
We have a closely-held client base (i.e. not a
million random yahoos off the internet), so we can
secure a Java port between client and server and
download a fairly significant client. The Java
client is deployed with Sun's JRE (to control the
environment) with the following configuration:
2.6 MB JRE
765 KB Forte.zip
2.0 MB swingall.jar
1.6 MB vbjtools.jar, vbjorb.jar
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1) The Swing controls don't interoperate well
with the AWT and Symantec widgets, especially in
an internal frame. They paint slowly on top of
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to the programmed coordinates so it looks silly.
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controls and are reasonably fast.
2) We used Symantec Cafe 2.5a to paint the
screens, and had some problems with the
setLayout(null) on things like the Swing tab
folder and split panel. Commenting out the line
fixed it, but I'm hoping Cafe 3.0 will fix it (I
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generated classes as needed, so it would be a much
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From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 15:15:18 -0800
Subject: RE: Java-based Client for Forte/IIOP
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Sean,
My worry is that Swing, while eloquently designed, represents an attempt to
write a totally new display system which, at least in the case of my
project, will run on top of Windows. I really like the Java (or a Java-like
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