Images look less saturated in Photoshop CC 2014

I import my RAW images into Lightroom 5 and make some basic adjustments. Then I edit the image in Photoshop with the Lightroom adjustments. I clean up the images and crop to the size I like and then I use the Perfect Effects 9 plugin to do some more edits. I finish my edits in Perfect Effects 9 and save them which brings me back into Photoshop CC as a new layer. In Photoshop the image looks less saturated than it did in Perfect Effects 9. I then save the Photoshop file and exit. When I look at the PSD file in Lightroom 5 browse window, it looks the same as it does in Perfect Effects 9. Why does it look less saturated in Photoshop CC 2014?
Here are my colour settings:
Lightroom 5:
External Editing:
     Edit in Adobe Photoshop CC 2014:
     File Format = TIFF
     Color Space = AdobeRGB(1998)
     Bit Depth = 16
     Resolution = 240
     Compression = zip
Additional External Editor:
    Preset = Perfect Effects 9 Suite
    File Format = PSD
    Color Space = AdobeRGB(1998)
    Bit Depth = 16
    Resolution = 300
Perfect Effects 9:
General:
     Working Color Space = sRGB IEC61966-2.1
Files:
     Copy Options:
     File Format = PSD
     Color Space = sRGB IEC61966-2.1
Plug-ins:
     Lightroom:
     File Type = PSD
     Color Space = Adobe RGB 1998
Photoshop CC 2014:
    Color Settings: Custom
    Working Spaces:
    RGB = sRGB IEC61966-2.1
    CMYK = U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2
    Gray = Dot Gain 20%
    Spot = Dot Gain 20%
What color settings do I need to use so that the images have the same saturation look in all three programs? How do you know which image in which program is showing as the correct saturation?

No, just keep it at sRGB. As long as you have the "preserve" policy, the working space actually isn't all that important. The embedded document profile will always override it (as it should).
I had to read this a couple of times to follow the trail properly. Leaving Perfect Effects (which I don't know at all) out of it - does the very same file iteration, with the same edits, look different between Photoshop and Lightroom? Did I get that right?
In that case you have a bad monitor profile. This can sometimes throw off one application but not the other. Recalibrate, or if you don't have a calibrator go into Windows color management and set sRGB IEC61966-2.1 as default display profile. When done relaunch all applications so that they can pick up the new profile at startup.

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