Init load, delta load and full load

Hi BW,
Please when can I use init delta, delta and full load in a data load process.
Which of them is suppose to be in a process chain and which one is manual.
Regards.

Hi,
When you want to run delta, you have to initialize it first, thats when you run the init delta.Here you have 2 options with data transfer and without data transfer. If the data target is empty and there's no data, you can run the init with data transfer. This'll act as a full pull and also set up the initialization. If there's data already present, then you are better off running the init w/o data transfer. This dosen't pull over any data, but just sets up the initialization.
Then you can start using the delta pulls.That'll just bring over the changes and any new records rather than the whole data and is much more efficient.
You can use full pulls for say generic datasources that are not delta enabled or during a first time data load, or if there is a specific business requirement that needs you to pull over the full data everyday. Or in cases where the std datasource is not delta enabled.
Cheers,
Kedar

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    Regards,
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    Hi all,
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    hello ,
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    Regards

    Hi,
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