INTERFACE DETERMINATION AND RECEIVER DETERMINATION DOUBTS???

Hi Team
I am having doubts regarding the Interafce Determination and the receiver determination. In pur landscape in our objects, some times i am seeing a Condition is being defined in the Interafce Determination and sometimes am seeing a Condition is being defined in the receiver determination . could you please let me know the differences between the above two.
thanx in advance.

Hi Nabhinav,
Condtions in receiver determination - These conditions are evaluated and executed to determine the receivers for this incoming message.
Condtions in Interface determination - These conditions are evaluated and ececuted to determine the Interface mapping to be called in order to map the source message to the target message.
Please take a loot at these links for more details:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_srm50/helpdata/en/26/5ccd3bb4560f01e10000000a11402f/content.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwpi711/helpdata/en/48/ce2a8e3a8e5430e10000000a42189b/content.htm
Also, search the SDN before posting you query.
Regards, Gaurav.

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Interface determination and Receiver Determination

Any one can give the clear idea about Interface determination and Receiver Determination????????

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Interface Determination is to specify which inbound interface of a receiver a message is to be forwarded to. We also specify which interface mapping from the Integration Repository is to be used for processing the message. Here it will know which kind of mapping you are using etc.
 ReceiverDeterminatioin.
A ReceiverDetermintaion defines on or more receivers for a sender and an outbound interface.
Receiver Determination is to specify which receivers a message is to be sent to.
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Interface and Receiver determination steps

Dear Experts,
I have list of queries which I am facing issue in ID. I am working on SOAP<->SAP-PI<->PROXY scenario.
1. Created 2 Service Interface i.e. SI_SOAP_OB and SI_PROXY_IB in ESR.
My question is that in the sender and receiver tab what should be the entries in Business System of SOAP and PROXY systems ( i.e. BS system created under the node Communication Component without party). I created this Business System ABAP from the entries of SLD.
2. What is the sequence of steps in the ID i.e. Cc,ID,RD,SA,RA.
3. In the Receiver Determination, I can see in the "Configuration Overview" tab
that the PROXY business system has red entries. I think that this system should show SI_PROXY_IB
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4. When trying to create Interface Determination, I receive "JAVA.lang stack overflow error"
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My question is that in the sender and receiver tab what should be the entries in Business System of SOAP and PROXY systems ( i.e. BS system created under the node Communication Component without party). I created this Business System ABAP from the entries of SLD.
ANS -
For SOAP, anything like Legacy_filer can be created & used.
For PROXY, use the business system of R/3 system maintained in SLD.
2. What is the sequence of steps in the ID i.e. Cc,ID,RD,SA,RA.
ANS-
Sender CC
Sender Agreement
Rec Determination
Int Determination
Rec CC
Rec Agreement.
Create the steps in COnfiguration Scenario directly.
3. In the Receiver Determination, I can see in the "Configuration Overview" tab
that the PROXY business system has red entries. I think that this system should show SI_PROXY_IB
but it shows SI_SOAP_OB.
4. When trying to create Interface Determination, I receive "JAVA.lang stack overflow error"
and INTERNAL ERROR.I made sure that there is no inactivated objects under my user.
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its cache error. Go for full cache refresh in IB>AdministrationData cahce--cache refresh.
5. I am sure that the step till creating SI in ESR and sender agreement in ID is correct. Can I create proxy as well as WSDL with end point at this stage.
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Nope. create the structure in ESR & generate proxy for the same in ECC system. that's it. No need of WSDL here.
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1)what is the use of enhanced interface determination and enhanced receiver determination and in scenarios we will use them and in what conditions ,and what differentiates it from standard interface/reciever determination?

1. Standard receiver determination to specify the receivers of the message (and optionally routing conditions) manually.You can specify receiver parties and receiver services. To specify the receiver in more detail, you have the following options:
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Hi Shabbirmdpasha,
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My question is do we have to import the RFC again , as it is already in the imported design objecs
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In Reference to forum thread : Conditions in Xpath (Receiver determination)
Suppose I have MT as
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Hi Shabarish,
It is not possible to have and or or outside the brackets [].
Try following:
/p1:MT_Pickfile[(Header/field3 = "100" or Header/field3 = "200" or Header/field3 = "300" ) and Body/field5 = "AA" or Body/field5 = "BB" or Body/field5 = "CC")]
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/p1:MT_Pickfile/Body[(field5 = "AA" or field5 = "BB" or field5 = "CC")]
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Proxy will send the data to XI system, Based Customer group number[1000,2000,3000,4000], I need to split the message into 4 messages, and sent to 4 Different location, based on Customer Group condition.
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Hi,
Develope it like follow.
Source Structure- Same for everything.
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Hi,
Please, can anyone explain what is the concept of 'Receiver determination' and 'Interface Determination'?
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Hi,
>>>>Receiver determination
its about finding the receiver system for particular source system and outbound interface.
Suppose,you want to send data from file->XI->SAP and CRM based on some condition
in this scenario you need to determine whether to send file data to SAP or CRM system,this decision you will do in Receiver determination
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I'm doing Enhanced Receiver determination.. but in this if i select Extended radio button in the receiver determination .. I'm not gettting any search help for selecting my Interface mappings..
what misteqe i did.. for getting those interface mappings in Receiver Determination does we need to do..any special things .
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how many interface mappings do we need to create for this..
One
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