Internet based management point on workgroup comuter

Hi
I have a question about internet based site system (mp and dp and maybe sup). I already have primary site and i want to install another site system with mp/dp/sup for internet clients on server in DMZ which is not in active directory. It is in regular workgroup.
Is it possible or it has to be joined to domain??? For security reasons i would prefer if it wasnt in domain.
Thx in advance.

All site systems have to be domain-joined.
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http://www.petervanderwoude.nl/post/five-key-configuration-steps-for-implementing-internet-based-clients-in-configmgr-2012/;
http://www.systemcenterdudes.com/internet-based-client-management/
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Step #1
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3. Is there anything wrong with the design I am trying to implement above?
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New in System Center 2012 Configuration Manager, when you have a software update point that is configured to accept connections from the Internet, Configuration Manager Internet-based clients on the Internet always scan against this software
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You are welcome to file a design change request (DCR) on connect.microsoft.com.
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The FQDN has only to be specified on the Internet facing site system. You can leave this field blank on the primary site Server.
Ports to Open:
Internet --> DMZ Site Server:
TCP Port 443
TCP Port 80, if Fallback Status Point is installed
DMZ Site Server --> Primary Site:
TCP 135, 49152-65535
TCP 445
TCP 135, 24158 (fixed with
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb219447(v=vs.85).aspx )
TCP 80, 443
If you have some other roles installed, please consult this page:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh427328.aspx
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Internet Based Client Management Design Question

Hi,
I read many articles and many forum posts about IBCM design possibilities. I want to make sure I am on the right path, so I would like to mention about what I have currently in my environment and how I will change it. Please let me know if something is wrong
with my plannings for IBCM.
Currently I have one SCCM2012 R2 primary site server and one database server. We dont have
public key infrastructure at the moment , so communication is via HTTP. We dont have DMZ either. I would like to make my internal SCCM site server reachable from intranet and internet
without installing any other site server or MP,DP,SUP point. The article below says that is possible. I will implement the scenario1 in that article.
http://blogs.technet.com/b/configmgrteam/archive/2012/05/25/system-center-2012-configuration-manager-r-i-p-native-mode.aspx
So, I guess
1.I need to create
public key infrastructure.
2.Public DNS registration for site server's internet FQDN
3.Firewall Settings from internet to site server
After those 3 steps, my client will connect from intranet when they are in the office and they will also be able to connect from internet when they are outside of our network. Can you please verify whether this planning is correct or not? If you know any
step by step IBCM implementation article that I can use , can you please give me the link?
Yavuz Selim Atmaca

Very high level those are indeed the right steps at this moment. Just keep in mind that this definitely is not the most secure solution.
I created a blog post about some important configuration steps:
http://www.petervanderwoude.nl/post/five-key-configuration-steps-for-implementing-internet-based-clients-in-configmgr-2012/
On a side-note, if your going to build a PKI anyway, you might want to think about DirectAccess instead of Internet clients.
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Jason | http://blog.configmgrftw.com
Ok so now I see an error in clientlocation.log that might be the cause of my problem.
[Domain joined client is in Internet]
[Rotating internet management point, new management point is : SERVER.DOMAIN.COM ...
[Unable to retrieve AD forest + domain membership] <- Pretty sure this is related to my issue
I guess it's because my AD schema is not extended, is that right?
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EDIT: Do I need to open ports in order for my client to be able to reach the AD or something? I thought that was the MP's job once we granted him full control access on the AD. Am I wrong?

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