Is it safe to re-apply a combo update?

Had flaky problems with my dual 1.8 G5 a couple days ago, and wound up doing an archive and install of Leopard from my 10.5.4 disk. When I applied the 10.5.8 combo update, the installation hung for a very long time, such that I used the power button to shut down.
When I re-booted, it showed that 10.5.8 was installed, but there are a few gremlins such as my Canon scanner not loading (even after downloading the driver and software).
I'm thinking that perhaps every last bit of 10.5.8 wasn't installed.
Can I re-apply the combo update and if so should I first trash the Library > Updates > Combo Update folder?
Thanks for any input.

Yes, it's completely safe. Let it finish this time. It's known to appear to hang at the end, but it's still installing. Since you interrupted it the first time around, I would first verify the drive in Disk Utility, though.
Can I re-apply the combo update and if so should I first trash the Library > Updates > Combo Update folder?
Keep the .dmg and just reuse it. I like to apply OS updates booted in Safe Mode. Hold the shift key down at start up.
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