Is this censorship, or sensitiveship?

http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?forum=31&thread=326454&tstart=75&trange=15

I delved into it more.
Here is the error posting, with a complete description of what I found, in the Discuss the JDC Site forum.
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?forum=10&thread=327278&tstart=0&trange=15
I also sent it via the help feedback.
Let's see if it gets fixed.
Notice above that the link I posted from the site has the start and range values as well. I know those weren't there a couple of weeks ago because I always have to hunt them down when I want to post a link to a specific reply. And if you remove those the link works just a well.

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Censorship on Adobe ColdFusion forums - Open letter to the management of the Adobe ColdFusion forums

This is reproduced from its original location at http://cfmlblog.adamcameron.me/2013/06/censorship-on-adobe-coldfusion-forums.html; it is also posted on the relevant ColdFusion forum. Apologies for the cross-post, but the two forums have different membership, and I think it's relevant to both.
Open letter to the management of the Adobe ColdFusion forums
(I do not know how to contact you, but I will try to find out and send this to you directly as well, as a courtesy).
Hi.
I am a veteran user of your ColdFusion support forums. Over the last decade or so I have been visiting the site daily (indeed several times a day: I get notified when any post is made on any of your ColdFusion-centric forums), and answering as many of people's questions as I can. For the last few years it's been via the web UI so you can go check my participation, but prior to that I was using the forums via NNTP, and my participation during that period is less easy to quantify, but it's to the tune of a few thousand posts / answers to people's questions. I consider myself an asset to the forums, and the ColdFusion community. I mean this just as "for the record", rather than any attempt to inflate any sense of my worth.
However as of today - unless you take remedial action as I will go on to detail - I will be surrendering my membership of your forums, and ceasing all attempts to assist people there.
Why am I considering doing this? Well firstly I will reproduce a thread from your forums, then I will discuss it. Where possibly the quoted material below is as it was initially posted, and if it's not exactly as originally presented, this is an accident on my part. I have highlighted some points I wish to discuss with you, simply for ease of cross-reference.
I have confirmed with Jason Dean (12Robots) that is happy for me to quote him here. I did not attempt to contact the other participant: "grazan".
Below is a chronological reproduction of the thread (in its original form, anyhow):
cold fusion 9 500 Internal server error.
created by grazan
all of a sudden none of our cfm web pages work on a windows 8 server running iis 7 .... the
server shows no errors in the event viewer .... occasionally functionality comes back w/o doing
anything ...... cold fusion did have all the hotfixes updated a few months ago but i cant get to
the admin page to give what the version is
thxs
created by 12Robots
First, ColdFusion is one word.
Second, what is a WIndows 8 server?
Third, and most important, you have provided ZERO detail. We can't help you if you don't provide something other than "none of our cfm web pages work". ColdFusion has logs (<coldfusionDir>/logs) JRun has logs (<coldfusionDir>/runtime/logs). Even if the Windows event viewer shows nothing, there should be info in those log files about what is going on.
Good luck,
Jason
created by grazan
YOU KNOW JASON YOUR A FRICKING IDIOT ......
I DIDNT REALIZE THIS WAS A GRAMMATICALLY CORREDCT FORUM ...
THANKS FOR NO HELP
created by 12Robots
*you're
jason
created by Adam Cameron
Hahahahaha. Nice.
Adam
created by Adam Cameron
Well if you got over your misplaced indignation for a moment, let's see:
ColdFusion is what people will google for, so in the spirit of helping others who might have the same question as you later on, spelling it right will help the community.
Jason's observation that you give us absolutely nothing to go on so it's basically impossible to help you is a fairly poignant observation, right? You do want help? Right, so here's some suggestions:
Articulate your issue clearly, with sufficient detail that we can help you. Read this:
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smartquestions.html
Secondly... being rude to someone like Jason who really is one of the most helpful people on
these forums is a pretty stupid idea. And just serves to make you look a bit of a dick. Esp. with the caps lock on.
But anyway, let's call that a false start. Give us the details of your issue, and we'll try to help.
Cheers.
Adam
At this point, the moderator started redacting earlier messages, as detailed below:
Redacted version of earlier message:
created by 12Robots
First, [Jason, please see forum guidelines]
[rest of message as above]
Redacted version of earlier message:
created by grazan
[please see forum guidelines]
Redacted version of earlier message:
created by Adam Cameron
Entire message redacted
Redacted version of earlier message:
created by Adam Cameron
[unnecessary comments removed - Adam please see forum guidelines]
Give us the details of your issue, and we'll try to help.
Cheers.
Adam
And now back to the live thread:
created by 12Robots
Forum admin,
You censored the comment "ColdFusion is one word"? Seriously?
I didn't realize that suggesting that someone spell the name of the product correctly was against the forum guidelines. I guess I could go look it up, but I will just unsubscribe and help out at Stack Overflow instead.
Good luck,
Jason
created by Adam Cameron
Please see how much I used to help out on these forums.
I'm outa here, but not before I complain about your dictatorial behaviour.
Censorial nazi idiot.
[The entire message above has now been redacted].
That's the end of the relevant part of the thread.
Clearly I wish to speak to you about this censorship your moderator is choosing to undertake.
Firstly, let me say that I understand the perception that forums require moderation. Personally I think this position is of dubious merit, but so be it: it's a common practice. And I generally understand when I see things that have been moderated, or when a moderator step in and advises that they consider someone's wording contravenes forum guideline. I understand all this.
However.
I think the behaviour of your moderator in this situation is unacceptable. Let me elaborate.
Firstly, The highlighted comment of Jason's was removed. This comment stated - correctly - that the correct spelling of ColdFusion is as one word, as per his guidance. This comment was censored/redacted by your moderator. For the life of me, applying my most "socially modest" mindset, I cannot see what was wrong with Jason's comment, and why it needed any follow-up on any description. It was accurate advice.
The original poster's response to Jason was indeed a bit gratuitous, but - really - so what? No-one is taking offence here, and there's nothing anyone reasonable could take offence at. The person is just being a bit childish in their response. And, I hasten to add, at their own expense, I think. I see not reason to have redacted what they said.
We now come to my responses. One entire response I made was redacted (I've only just noticed this, whilst proofreading this letter). A number of tracts was redacted from my own initial post on the thread. Here I was simply explaining why Jason said what he did, and why it's good advice. And it was good advice. Your moderator here has removed both good advice, and an explanation as to why it was good advice. Again, I cannot fathom why your moderator has done this.
Following on from this I back-up Jason's assertion that the original post was inadequate on detail for us to help. This too is accurate. I reiterated this to try to make the origial poster see that Jason wasn't simply being unhelpful - to the contrary - pointing out we need more information before we can help is very good initial advice here. Advice that has now been deleted.
Next is some slightly contentious wording on my part, I suppose... at least if one doesn't actually read what I say, instead simply zooming in on one word and assessing it out of context. I pointed out that being abusive and writing in all-caps is unnecessary, and makes the person look like a dick. Note I didn't say the person was a dick (that would be abuse... very mild though), I was saying that given the behaviour the person was engaging in, they could be perceived that way. Which is... accurate. And saying someone is a dick and suggesting they could be perceived as a dick are two different things. One is ad hominem attack (bad), one is simply an observation / guidance (not bad).
At this point Jason drew my attention to this censorship going on. And this is another thing that I think is inappropriate on the part of the moderator. I have little problem with them thinking that content on this thread needs censorship (whilst they are wrong, they are entitled to their opinion), to silently and anonymously redact people's posts is an inappropriate - and to be frank cowardly - handling of this situation. If the moderator has an issue with something written on the forums, the courteous and professional thing to do would be to advise the participants that they have overstepped. This would give us a chance to remediate the situation, or to simply disagree. Simply excising someone's work - because this is volunteer work we are engaging in here - is unacceptable.
If anything ought to have been censored from the thread it was my last comment. Whilst it was accurate, I did use harsh sentiment, I accept this. However in the given situation, I don't think I have been the most out-of-line participant in proceedings.
I would like you to remediate this situation, and here is how I would like you to do it.
Restore Jason's original post. There was no reason to censor it.
Restore grazan's all-caps post. It was doing no harm.
Restore my second post (not the one laughing at Jason's joke, the longer one I discuss above). Again, useful and accurate information was removed from this post, and there was simply no reason to have had done so.
You can leave my last comment redacted. Fair enough. Whilst I stand by what I said, it is unhelpful in the context of the thread.
I also want the moderator to be censured, and I would like them to apologise for their behaviour, by posting on that thread explaining that they understand their behaviour was inappropriate and unacceptable.
If they are a community volunteer, they should be dismissed from their position. They are clearly not capable of fulfilling this role in a professional, well-balanced manner.
If they are an Adobe staff person, then the censure will have to be sufficient, although I think they should be relieved from their duties as a forum moderator, as they are not up to the task at hand.
Talk to your other moderators and advise them they need to act with a sense of balance and professionalism when moderating the forums.
In return, I will continue my participation on the forums, and continue to help the ColdFusion community members where I can, in the spirit of goodwill and co-operation. I will also try to convince Jason to do the same.
If you cannot see right to resolve this situation appropriate, I will surrender my membership of the forums and cease helping your community.
You can reply to me either via a comment against this post, or via email ([email protected]). That said, see the caveats in my communications policy: I reserve the right to publish any communications on this topic as I see fit (within the bounds of common sense).
Thanks for your time.
Adam Cameron

Adam,
Comments from a kindred spirit...
I suggest you take a breather and go do something else for a few days or weeks. Don't stomp your feet and say "I'm done for good, I won't be back", because like it or not, some of the reason you're here is to benefit YOU, and if you do go cold turkey you'll miss that benefit.
In other words, "never say never".
Like you, I have been extremely frustrated by the running of the forum from time to time as well. Sometimes it's the quality of the forum software, sometimes it's the mix of other immature people who comment, sometimes it's just me. Usually it's not the moderation or actual running of the forum, but I do understand where you're coming from.
I have benefited greatly on several occasions just by taking a vacation from forum participation.
We all have to understand two things:
1. We're able to communicate here by the good graces of Adobe, who are first and foremost a business, trying to achieve their business goals. They'd rather not upset all the idiots, because unfortunately idiots have money to spend too.
2. Nobody's perfect.
I'm not sure about the specifics, but the moderators are generally also volunteers. See item 2 above.
Hope you don't choose to stop contributing to the community, as no matter what, your contribution is good for the world.
-Noel

Why Censor Our Forum Topics? Embarrassment?

Hi folks,
Some of you may be experiencing a problem listening to radio streams in Safari. In a nutshell, after you initiate a live feed, if you then switch tabs or minimize the window, Safari stops playing the stream. It's not related to video, it's only audio streams. It's reproducible, so try it and see.
Annoying for users, huh?
Safari seems to be the only browser enjoying this idiosyncrasy. Try the same in Firefox, Camino, and countless others and you won't have a problem.
This must be rather embarrassing for Apple too.
Naturally, a lot of people are seeking a solution to this oddity, not least on support forums. Now, what do you make of this?
The following thread was posted recently on these forums:
+"Audio stream stops when I switch to another tab in Safari"+
+09-Jul-2007 09:12 by: Alex Zachopoulos+
BUT, nobody is allowed to reply to it. At the top is the message:
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Why? It's an unresolved problem, it's recent, so why halt further discussion?
Is this censorship?
What do you think, folks?

Why?
It hadn't been posted to in over two years. Threads which haven't been modified for a few months are made read-only by the board software itself without any host action.
it's recent
No, it's not. Check the date on it.
Is this censorship?
No.
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Why can't I rent/buy movies with MA or R rating?

It appears that whenever I try to rent/buy movies from iTunes Store via Apple TV or iTunes with a rating of PG, M, they work fine, but if the movie is rated MA I get error message - Can't connect to Store. Try again later. For a 35 year old man I find this censorship frustrating. Can someone shed some light on this for me? Maybe there is a parental control setting I need to change?

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Sync does not work at all since last update. This is ********.

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Bloatware and Censorship Evil

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Fireox became excruciatingly slow to load web pages immediately after following Stop Censorship link over Firefox logo on start page.

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So there's this creeper harassing my friend on sky...

Hello guys...
I am comming in because there's this creeper/**bleep** (screw censorship) sexually harassing my friend and asking her to see him **bleep** and she said no.
So this creeper/**bleep**/scumbag then says to do it or she'll get hacked and I am not sure how heavy his words really are on her. But I do know it's not right to do those kind of things.
His id is amwam10 and I was wondering how we could get his IP number so we could contact his internet service provider and find a way to get the police involved because he went as far as flooding her IM online and she's been getting rows of random men adding her NON-STOP for the past couple of hours.
Obviously this sexually deprived sick individual needs to be brought on to the eyes of the police... and I am pretty **bleep** sure "Skype" is supposed to give you information to move forward a police report (and possible lawsuits).

Hi, LoneAnon, and welcome to the Community:
Please see this FAQ article for next steps:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA34447/what-should-i-do-if-i-see-abusive-behavior-on-skype
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA10001/how-do-i-report-abuse-by-someone-in-skype
Skype will release IP information to law enforcement agencies who request such information via official channels.
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WRT54G Extremely slow navigating pages @ 192.168.1.1 - Could this be a network card problem?

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The PC is running Win 7 Ultimate 32bit and Ive tried running the network troubleshooter, uninstalled his network card in device manager / reinstalled the drivers but nothing seems to be working.
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Solved!
Go to Solution.

can you "borrow" a card? its the only way to be sure, eliminating hours of trial and error procedures. one of the mega electronics stores is a good source, if it solves your problem you keep the card, if not there is the return option
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I pay verizon to provide access to internet access and an email address. I do not want nor did I ask for any spam filtering to be performed. HOW DARE YOU!!!!! If you spam filter my incoming .. .where are MY controls ... NOT yours!
Where do I see a listing of those emails that were filtered? You are obviously filtering my outgoing? What give you the right to do so?
I'm a sending 100's or thousands of emails a day ... NO!!!!
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This can't be legal ... it is censorship .... I have been a loyal Verizon user since FIOS became available. I have internet, home phones, cells and TV service totaling over $400/month.
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I don't care if my contract is up or not ... go ahead and sue me .... I'll see you in court.
HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!

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You can find more information about how and why Verizon implements their outbound spam filtering at their Spam FAQ page, which is listed in the error you get if your message is actually blocked: http://www.verizon.net/spamfaq
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News Group Censorship

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In a time when the Chinese look ridiculous for their attempts at Internet restrictions how could Verizon think locking out a portion of the Internet would be acceptable? We have been fairly pleased with Fios but we will be switching to another provider if this policy stays in effect.

Thank you for your inquiry, Concerned.
We believe that limiting our Newsgroup service to the Big 8 groups will dramatically cut down on the availability of child pornography, which we believe is an important step in the overall fight against the exploitation of children online. We remain committed to combating child pornography and where we discover it on any Verizon server, we will immediately take action consistent with our terms of service to remove the content and report the matter to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
Verizon's decision to limit its Newsgroup service to the Big 8 hierarchies does not prevent you or any other customer from accessing alt newsgroups through other Newsgroup services, including commercial Newsgroups as well as web-based services like Google Groups which are available at no charge.
Kathleen
Verizon Telecom
Online Center of Excellence
Notice: Content posted by Verizon employees is meant to be informational and does not supercede or change the Verizon Forums User Guidelines or Terms or Service, or your Customer Agreement Terms and Conditions or Plan.

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Is this a form of censorship when they don't like the question?

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If there was a way to disable the plugin check completely, would this website be the right place to get an honest answer?

Most answers tell me how to update firefox or how to fix it, how to make the plugin check work or tell me some workarounds. That´s why i think Mozilla has no interest to let the people disable the plugin check, because it got implemented for a reason.
But the whole thing is not about computer science. It is about psychology, respect and the free will of the people.
At first i get annoyed by this plugin check, then i want my revenge. I want to disable the plugin check! I do not want to make the plugin check work. I do not want to install a new version of firefox. I do not want to update my firefox and i do not want to fix my firefox. In fact i want a (virtual) sledge hammer to destroy my firefox - just a little bit regarding the plugin check.
But one feels treated like a child, that has to be protected from it´s own decisions.
That´s when i feel annoyed the second time around.
So, if mozilla doesn´t grant me the choice to disable the plugin check at will, i am only free to decide which browser i´m going to use.

@ the-edmeister
I´d like to apologise if you felt offended by my question. That was not my intention. Within my explanation i tried to describe the feelings of an unexperienced user like my father (77 years old). Because i felt the answers given so far were evasive. Everybody recommended to update or fix firefox respectively the plugin check, but no one seemed to answer the question if one can disable the plugin check completetly.
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Is this censorship, or sensitiveship?

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