Kanex ATV Pro experience

Has anyone else had the experience of video dropping from using the Kanex ATV Pro with Apple TV?
I just picked one up at the Apple Online store. The Kanex ATV Pro (http://www.kanexlive.com/atvpro) is a 3rd party dongle that plugs into the hdmi port of the Apple TV and splits the audio onto a female 1/8 and the video to VGA (for then connecting to a projector). (You see, I own a projector, but not a flat screen TV or other HDMI-input display).
Anyway, things were working well for the first couple days but now I get these random drops of the video feed from the AppleTV. The projector goes blue screen for 2 seconds then the feed is back. Completely random too. Sometimes as often as 30 seconds. Sometimes as long as 3 minutes. Makes the AppleTV completely unusable.
So my question: is the problem the Kanex or the Apple TV? I have reinstalled (restored to factory settings) the OS on my ATV but that didn't help
I will continue to fiddle with things to see if I can get stable performance again.
thanks

Our projectors are old school and ceiling mounted... even if they had HD inputs, there would be no convenient way to get to them, plus I would be using OTHER folks' projectors on the road with no control over their inputs.
IF I do get near a projector that HAS HD inputs, I would still need an adapter correct? Presumably one from the docking port that terminates with hdml...
SO should I spend the extra money on the ATV Pro?

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bit of a shame as this cable/convertor was recommended on these boards by another user and was definately not cheap
I may have recommended this based on my own experience with it and the fact that it is designed for AppleTV specifically and is actually sold by Apple.
Have you contacted Kanex support to query what the issue might be?
Might be worth trying to cycle display resolutions with the remote, see black screen recovery:
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3176
I have not used mine for a few months as I got a new HDMI equipped projector - it is not impossible that Apple have scuppered functionality with a software update though.
If you cannot get it to work can you return it to the vendor? I would not have recommended this device if Apple weren't selling it for this very purpose - even if a software update prevented protected content playback it should not stop you using Airplay of non-protected material.
My suspicion would be some kind of incompatibility when the device is working out what resolutions the projector supports. It could even be a faulty Kanex adapter.
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http://store.apple.com/uk/product/H9139VC/A/kanex-atv-pro-airplay-mirroring-for- vga-projector-cable?
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My MacBook Pro Experiences

Hey Guys,
Since theres a lotta negative and positive stuff flying around here about everyone's MacBook Pro issues, I thought I would post with some of my experiences.
Firstly, whenever I got to buy something, I always research it a LOT and since this is the first Mac laptop I have ever bought, I made sure I did a LOT more!
After a lot of reading, I decided that the upcoming 17inch at the time was not for me, (student after all so way out of my price range) and since the graphics memory wasnt a huge issue for me, I decided to look further into the 1.83GHz version of the MBP.
As I'm a music student and I run a lot of applications like Logic, Reason, Ableton Live etc, processor speed is a small issue, but is not paramount as 95% of the time the devices I use such as Audio Interfaces will handle most of the stuff the processor normaly would.
This then brought me to memory. Astounded by how much the Apple Store wanted to put an extra sim of Memory into the MBP (£140 for a 1Gig) I decided to look around. First port of call was Crucial (www.crucial.com/uk) and lo and behold, they had the same stick delivered for £114 - I could do with that £26 quid!
Reading further, I found that Apple are nice and release some documentation on adding your own RAM to the MBP. This is helpfull, and means that I could actualy do it myself to get a REAL increase in speed for the machine.
(1Gig of RAM and above is the real sweet spot for MacOSX Tiger it seems)
So that aside I decided to order the 1.83GHz beast. I had to wait a while for some money to transfer from my acount, but in the mean time I rang the Apple store to find out some information about ordering the unit.
The guy i spoke to was very helpful and emailed me with his details saying, as soon as I was ready to order I should email him back and he would phone me to complete the order. Very nice.
I had to wait a couple of extra days for the money to transfer to my acount - it was going from one bank to another, but in the mean time I was able to email this guy back and have him reply with lots of details about my order and the unit itself.
The day finally came to order the beast. My money had successfully transferred, and I was ready. I emailed the guy from Apple at 7am. At 7.40 he rang me and we started the order. (20minutes before the Apple store is supposed to open to customers)
The order was simple, and I was able to obtain my student discount meaning I had the init for £1214.95 delivered. I also bought a mighty mouse as I'd had one before and they were great. The guy also informed me about the student diascount I could receive on the Apple Care plan. This meant instead of £279 it would cost me a mere £50 for the same thing. Bargain, and well worth it.
The order was completed, and although the product did not arrive the next day as I'd expected I was informed by them that it would take slightly longer as they had some problems and had longer lead times at the moment. Ordering on a wednesday I wasnt holding out for getting it by the end of the week, but I actualy did!
I got a phone call from home whilst I was out at my University saying that my package had arrived, but no one was home (DOH!) so they left a note.
I furisly rang up the company, and found out if I could go and pick the unit up, to which they told me yes. I would be able to go and pick it up from Oxford. I was all but racing down the motorway on my way home, before I got another call from home, saying "The delivery guy came to the door and said 'i heard you were going to go all the way to oxford for this, so i thought i'd bring it to you on my way home'" how very nice!
So my unit arrived and i rushed home to "play"
The box was very swish, made it look lovely - typical apple design.
Got it out and first thing I noticed were a couple of cosmetic damages to the front of the unit, on the keyboard, and to the right hand side on the speaker grill. Ignoring this I continued to boot it up and have a play.
Setup was really simple, configured my network and user acount flawlessly, without the need to plug it on once.
the mightymouse that also arrived that day and plugging it in during the setup process it simply worked. Lovely.
In a couple of minutes everything was up and running, I was browsing the web, listening to music from my windows computers and typing an email to Apple about those **** cosmetic issues. :-P
I have to say, I havent had any real problems with the heat issues. If you sit the unit on bare skin, maybe then it would hurt... but it's not burning hot, its warm.
As for the noises, yea, it has made some, but to be honest, I can barely hear them most of the time unless it's deadly silent in the room, and when is it ever in my line of work as a musician :P If I want to get rid of the sound, I can simply open the Mirror widget and it goes, simple as that. I havent tried any of the hacks and workarounds that people have been offering around on here, because I havent found it a big issue yet.
Screen problems - I hold my hands up right now and say that the ONLY screen problems I have found with my MBP is when I have used Windows on the machine. the rest of the time (In MacOS) it is FLAWLESS.
I do have to say though, the resolution is lovely, being able to have so much desktop real estate is fantastic, and the DVI to VGA adapter is brilliant for when I want to show things off, or use a second monitor with the laptop.
BootCamp - Afraid that someone might throw something Windows only at me one day at uni I decided to have a go with BootCamp on my box. Worked fantastically well. No problems whatsoever. (However I must add I almost never boot Windows on the machine just cos Mac OS is so useable for me!)
My only one gripe is that the @ and the " keys are in the opposite positions from where I wouild like them to be. But who cares.
I would highly recommend one of these machines to anyone who is looking at getting one... I have stopped using my desktop for good now. It's just pointless.
I'm sure you'll love it
Thats the end of my story.
Really I just wanted another excuse to use this baby :P

I just checked and I have a Week 14 model.
The scratches - apple told me about the process for sending it back... waiting, getting a new one etc... and i said what about compensating me, as otherwise the machine is fine. They agreed to give me a case for the machine and £50.
Thank you very much Apple!
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Whine... i had a VERY slight hi pitch noise, but as i mentioned, it's NOTHING really... can barely hear it. No one else but i can actualy hear it (my young ears) and i can fix it by running and then closing the Mirror app if its really an issue.
As for anything else. It's perfection.

My Mac Pro Experience (coming from PowerBook)

Hey All, I recently bought Apple's new power horse, and I thought I'd share my initial experience using it.
A little background
For the last few years I've been using a PowerBook G4 as my primary computer. I was about to buy a PowerMac when Apple made the announcement that they were going Intel, so I decided to put off a new computer purchase until they came out with the Intel-based PowerMac. When they finally came out with the machine a couple weeks ago, at first I was going to wait a month or two, giving time for any first-rev issues to surface. But turns out that's a lot easier said than done--on Saturday, after Flash froze up on me for the 3rd time that day, I ran to the Apple Store to get my Mac Pro.
Usage
I got the standard configuration and have since added a 160gb HDD for Windows from NewEgg and a another gb of memory from Crucial. Looking forward the plan is to go up to 4gb of memory, get ATI's Radeon X1900 XT when the Mac edition comes out, and grab a 500gb backup HDD.
To migrate my data over, I decided not to use the Migration Assistant as I didn't want to move any preferences or system files for apps I've uninstalled, etc.. So instead I just hooked up an ethernet cable between the computers. First I moved my apps, then my email, then my iTunes libraray, then all other files in my Desktop, Documents, Music, Photos, and Sites. I was already using .Mac syncing for my Bookmarks, Calendars, Contacts and Keychains, so that part was easy-- just enabled syncing.
Coming from a PowerBook, this thing is ridiculously fast. All these little things that took several seconds to load on my PowerBook are now instantaneous (loading Dashboard widgets for the first time after boot, for example). I have not noticed a performance hit running non-universal apps under Rosetta, however before I got more memory, the system's memory usage would almost max out when I was using Photoshop, so that extra 1GB definitely makes a difference there. One thing that's exciting about this computer is knowing it's only going to get faster as more applications become universal, Mac OS X Leopard comes out and has better 64-bit support, and as I add more RAM.
It's also very quiet. The new Xeons don't run very hot, and with the aid of a heatsink that spans the entire width of the machine on top of it, the fans are barely audible. The loudest part about it is the hard drive.
Boot Camp installation was just as easy as all the articles say. Windows runs pretty well on it– it lasted a full hour before crashing! I installed a program called MacDrive (www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive6) that enables Windows to access Mac-formatted hard drives. One thing that's worth a mention about MacDrive is that you have the option of making those drives read-only, so if I get some crazy worm or virus or whatever, it won't stand a chance corrupting any of my important data on the OS X drive.
But the main reason I installed Windows was for the games. While I was sleeping I had Steam download and install Half-Life 2. This morning I opened it up to check the performance. It's not bad at all–-with a 1680x1050 resolution (native 20" Cinema Display res), the recommended video settings were as follows:
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- texture detail: high
- shader detail: high
- water detail: reflect world (of options: basic reflection, reflect world, reflect all)
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- filtering mode: trilinear (of options: bilinear, trilinear, anisotropic 2x, 4x, 8x, 16x)
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The high dynamic range capability is particularly exciting to me because my gaming pc crashed every time I tried playing The Lost Coast, Valve's high dynamic range demo level. So, not bad at all.
Annoyances
Big thing here is the lack of the wireless module. Unless I want to span a cable across my room, I need wireless internet. A temporary solution to this is I have my PowerBook sharing its wireless connection with the Mac Pro over ethernet.
Not all Mac applications work on it yet, due to the x86 64-bit architecture. So far the programs I have tried to run that won't include Parallels (basically a VirtualPC for Intel Macs), Cisco VPN Client, and MySQL Administrator. The iStat Pro widget is also acting up.
On the Windows side, there are several things Apple could improve on. The biggest one here is the Eject key-- it will only open, but not close, the cd tray. If you have two optical drives installed, it will open both of them together (whereas on OS X it opens/closes the top one, and ALT+Eject opens/closes the bottom one).
With the exception of these minor inconveniences (which probably won't even be around a month from now) my experience has been completely positive. The only time I've had any sort of trouble was when I tried accessing a mounted drive that was no longer physically connected, forcing me to relaunch Finder, but this is a well-known issue that has nothing to do with the specific machine.
If you're thinking about getting a Mac Pro, my advice is to go for it.
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Any Mac Pro experience with 26" Acer-al2616wd

http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/acer-al2616wd-flat-panel/4507-3174_7-322280 37.html?tag=nav
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http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1095405

font color="2200cc" WD MyBook Pro experiences. /font

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Discussion on the WD MyBook Premium drive in this thread (link) seems to be reasonably inconclusive. The Premium differs from the Pro due to the FW800 connection and the fact that the Pro does not use WD's own software - hence the different thread.
My MyBook Pro has worked for many months like a charm booting my iMac G4 (FW400) following SuperDuper clones. It also works very fast connected to my Alu iMac 2.8GHz via FW800. However I am unable to boot this Alu Intel iMac via USB2.0, FW400 or FW800. This leads me to suspect that this isn't a WD drive issue but more an issue with booting on the Alu iMacs. I know some people have had success when a FW hub has been in the chain however I do not have such a device. I'd be interested to hear from anyone with their experiences of booting Intel (specifically Aluminium) iMacs from external drives.
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Thanks for your post. The problem for me is that troubleshooting in isolation my drive works perfectly with two Macs but will not boot the third, implying an issue with the third Mac, especially given the early Firewire issues with Alu iMacs.
Rather than waste too many of my processor cycles worrying about it I think the WD will probably serve as a TimeMachine drive where booting is not required and I will procure another drive for SuperDuper/cloning use.
I'll leave this thread open to collect other's views.
cheers
mrtotes

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Got my stock 2.66 MP about a week ago and wanted to use it for a bit before giving my impressions. I run a graphic design business and am trading up from a 3-year old G5 dual 2.0. My primary workflow is in Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign, plus all the MS Office apps, so Rosetta performance is obviously a big deal for me.
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This thing is very, very fast. The slight, but noticeable lag in the finder that my G5 had is gone. Everything is instantaneous. All the iLife apps just smoke and the Rosetta based apps are as fast or faster than my G5. I honestly can't tell the difference in Photoshop or Illustrator. Disk access is much faster than my G5 and files open and save much quicker. The stock video card is fine for my uses (I'm not a PC gamer -- that's what my X360 is for) -- it drives my 21 inch CRT and 17 inch LCD without any trouble.
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I had a **** of a time migrating from my G5 using the migration assistant. Target disk mode just would never complete (gave up after 7 hours), so I pulled the drive from the G5 and dropped it in the 4th bay. It completed after 3 hours, but none of my documents made it across. My user account, login and most of my settings were fine, but random things didn't come across. I DON'T recommend using the migrator from a PPC based system.
I had the "volume keys don't work" problem that's been reported here -- a reboot fixed it. I got random crashes in Illustrator, which was fixed by trashing the preferences file.
I tried to put in a 3rd party DVD burner in the second drive bay, and it caused a kernel panic on startup. I'm going to play with the jumpers to see if I can get it to work, otherwise I'll just put it in a spare firewire enclosure.
I'm waiting for the Parallels update or the Boot Camp SATA fix before doing any Windows experimentation.
Other than that, it's been a fantastic machine and I'm very happy with the purchase. Hope you find this helpful.
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[iIt's good to finally read something positive in these MacPro discussions.
Bear in mind that this is a technical support forum where users get help for their technical issues rather than a "feel good about your purchase" forum.
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but I thought the refurbished models come with a new box and all the same manuals etc. as the new mbps? <<<</div>
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Best Regards.

My 1st MSI i7 x58 pro experience and issues

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What am I doing wrong?

Quote
* IOH temps are 58C on idle!!!
Your IOH temp is fine. https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=129940.0 Are you using the stock CPU cooler or aftermarket?
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* However, I cant still raise BCLK to 155+ ... get blue screens in Win7.
What are the error codes?
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* Computer doesnt go to sleep in Win 7.
Recommend first, update bios to version 8.6 using the forum's USB Flash Tool. Contact MSI Tech. Support if this doesn't resolve the sleep issue.

Yoga 2 pro experience

I got my yoga 2 on Oct 19th from BB
This was my very 1st Lenovo product and I had bad luck.
I'm currently on the 3rd unit.
The very first unit would not boot up, it had an error message saying something like bootable media not found. Had it exchanged.
2nd unit worked good with the exception of the wireless display. The connection between the laptop and a netgear push2tv adapter would drop when units where one foot apart.
3rd unit, so far so good, everything works. Loving it.
I do recommend anyone that gets this device to test every function right away so you have time to exchange it if you find things that do not work.

hello. ooooh. kaiser121 i like to try browsers. i am not a yoga user, but we are all browser user. The central browser becomes more important every day. i am so surprised that someone has not ripped off a long wikilist of browsers to try! direct recommendation is risky ? in public forum? with ie10 ie moved to the top again in my book. ie11 lately is letting me down. firefox just became usable again when it hit v.29 There has been many version changes since the first post open. recently i think f irefx 31 was better page control than 33. i prefer k-meleon. I cannot report on yoga view, but i will mention some browsers that can always appreciate feedback on any. Opera was changing its engine when you tried it. things change quickly. what do you judge? will convenient use of zoom help any of you? does full screen [F11] suit any of you? (if you are learning new habits then maybe full screen is for you) in F11 you cannot tell what browser you are in; it just works. font style and size make difference? using Modern version? desktop version? so resizing is a major concern? there is more specialized browsers than these. some security configuring and some include file manager. I'd like any comment about liking any one.
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can hardly believe kept list to four. what is on your trial list that you can tell us about?
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