LabVIEW version for Vision Builder AI 2012 plugins

Hi all,
Ii was a bit of a challenge to find out which version of LabVIEW was necessary to develop custom plugins for Vision Builder AI 2012, I found it by starting the installler, it is LabVIEW 2011 (but I wish I could find this information in Vision Builder AI 2012 readme file).
Now my question is : is it possible to use LabVIEW 2011 SP1 to develop custom plugins for Vision Builder AI 2012?
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Right... I tried, I installed all the VBAI and LabVIEW versions I could.
I turns out LV 2011 sp1 is just an upgrade of 2011 and as such LV2011 SP1 can be used to develop custom plugins for Vision Builder AI 2012.
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