Lid closed mode--ntsc and pal

I used to be able to put my MBP's display onto a TV using lid-closed mode and the Apple DVI-video adapter. I was changing my TV's resolution to something slightly higher, clicked the wrong setting (set the display mode to PAL), and now whenever I use lid-closed mode (or when I use boot camp to boot into windows XP) my TV (NTSC) does not work. It only does this in lid closed mode, and I've reset the PRAM to try to fix it. I can't see the TV display in PAL mode, so I can't change it back to NTSC. Please help!!! Should I reset my PMU or use some EFI command?
15" MBP Mac OS X (10.4.7) using composite video on dvi-tv adapter (ntsc)

I recommend running both the MBP (lid open) and the TV at the same time in screen spanning mode (not mirror mode). In this way, you should have complete control over the TV's Display Preferences settings from the screen on the MBP. Make sure you have the "Show displays in menu bar" check box clicked in Display Preferences. You should be able to restore the old settings you were using for your TV with this technique.
Once you get your old settings restored, you can go back to using just the TV with the MBP lid closed again.

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I honestly do not have a lot of confidence in this working.
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