Lightroom / ACR / Bridge?

Where can I get an overview on the functions / purposes and overlap, if any, in regards to these programs? I am currently using CS4 and Thumbs Plus.
Thanks, Airpix

airpix wrote:
Thanks John, I've been Googling all morning without much luck
I just put in lightroom versus photoshop.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lightroom+versus+photoshop&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org .mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

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Does Lightroom make Bridge obsolete?

I'm new to Lightroom, and really like the simplicity of Bridge. I find Lightroom very confusing and with duplicate features of Photoshop. I particularly find the "catalog" feature very confusing. Bridge is very intuitive and the Explorer metaphor works like one would expect. I can manage my images perfectly, with no confusion. I like the combination of Bridge, ACR, and Photoshop CS5. Why would I need Lightroom? PS: I don't need "tethering" feature of LR. One more question: I wonder if in the future Adobe will get rid of Bridge (because it's free) and make people buy LR. ???

I like the simplicity of Bridge, and how everything I do with files (managing folders, deleting/moving files, etc) works exactly like in Windows Explorer. However, once I understand LR, and the way I can catalog images and search images, I may find that I use both--Bridge for truly managing the images and folders, and LR for cataloging images for rapid search. I plan on giving LR the benefit of the doubt and working with it before categorically rejecting it.
T.N. Turner, www.TheArtfulToad.com
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LR might be confusing at first, particularly if one doesn't that LR is not a browser-type program but a data base program. It's data base being the catalog.LR is far superior than Bridge for image management. You willbe able to apreciate this only after you have dived deep into LR. But, Bridge still remains useful just because it's a browser based program. It will display everything that is on the hard drive - as far as image files are concerned, whereas LR displays only what has been imported. Also, Bridge displays image files that are not supported in LR. But after 5 years of working with LR I have to say, it's a fantastic program (despite some flaws) and I could not do the work I'm doing without LR. WW
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JPG's from Lightroom vs Bridge... file size difference.

I'm a Photographer. I only shoot in RAW. I use CS2 and Bridge to process my RAW files and then export the finals to JPG.
I heard the buzz about Lightroom and downloaded the trial to give it a whirl. I have since upgraded my trial version to full version (via serial number) and then took a set of RAW files that were already tweaked (via Bridge/ACR), copied them to another folder (with the xmp side car files), brought them into Lightroom and exported them to JPG. The JPG's created by Lightroom were MUCH smaller. I was very surpised by this.
I shoot with a Canon 20D and the JPGs generated from Bridge ending up being between 4 to 6mg per image. For the same set of RAW images, the JPGs generated from Lightromm avereaged between 1.5 and 3.5 mg. Both Lightroom and Bridge were set to export the JPGs at the highest quality.
Can anyone tell me why this would be? Has anybody else found this to be the case? I can't help but think that some data is being discarded from Lightroom.
Lou
http://www.steadfastdesigns.com
Rochester, NY Wedding Photographer

Did you choose export metadata to file first? The edits made to RAW images are contained within the database as well as xmp files if you choose this option. The edits for all other formats are embedded within the file (as well as the database) but of course you have to choose the export metadata option first. Your files may be smaller because they don't contain this data.
The image quality settings are not like for like across the Adobe range so cannot be compared.

Lightroom vs Bridge

Someone please tell me the core difference between lightroom and bridge.
Also, when I export a photo from lightroom to photoshop it cannot be opened in the raw converter in bridge. Why is this?

If you want to use Bridge, the thing to do is, after whatever edits you do in LR, tell LR to save the metadata to a file (in the Library module's Metadata menu). Then you can point Bridge at the file and Bridge can "see" the LR edits. You can open the file in Camera Raw, and ACR will apply the values from the LR xmp file, because the ACR engine is the same as LR's Develop module. That is, if you have ACR version 4.1 installed. If you don't see all the controls in ACR that you see in LR's Develop module you might not have an up-to-date version of ACR. You can download an up-to-date version of Camera Raw from Adobe for free.
If you prefer to use DNG it works just the same except that from what I see Bridge doesn't render a preview of the DNG so you won't see the image.
When you send a RAW file to PS from LR, LR saves as either a tiff or a psd file because PS needs an
image, not a RAW or DNG file. Bridge and Camera Raw have a seamless way of just handing things off without saving an image file first, but still Camera Raw renders an image to pass off to PS, you just save it in PS. Some of us have asked for a "don't save the file first" function in LR, but Adobe has to enable that within PS before LR can do that.
I hope all that helps some!
Tony

ACR, Bridge, PS workflow

I'm enjoying working through Jeff Schewe's ACR/PS book and he has me pretty much sold on the ACR, Bridge, PS workflow.
Can Lightroom add significant benefits?
Any comments will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Donn

Perhaps for printing. In a PhotoPro article* last November (2011) Jeff Schewe writes "let me disclose the fact that I'm partial to and perhaps a bit biased toward the Lightroom Print functionality."
* The Right Resolution page 2 <www.digitalphotopro.com/technique/workflow/the-right-resolution.html>

Full ACR + Bridge LE = a missing product ?

This could be the wrong subforum to ask (and Im sure someone will tell me), however, heres the story and the question:
Two of my kids (9 and 12 years old) are currently making their first steps in digital photography. So we tested different software for image processing, including Photoshop CS3, Lightroom and PS Elements 6. Purpose was to find something simple while still getting best possible results in the given context. Following are our impressions:
1.) ACRs ability to open Raw as well as JPG files was found to be very useful. In many cases, a separate Pixel-editor such as given with main Photoshop or PSE was not necessarily needed anymore (even though my heart is with the main Photoshop platform).
2.) Bridge was loved. Whereas LR and PSE soon got ignored due their Organizer and this DAM import/export thing. Ive heard that Mac users are more familiar which the procedure. However, were on Windowz boxes. We (I) expect a Browser to show the files in the given file structure as it is.
3.) ACRs functions were found to be too much reduced in PSE. Full ACR including e.g. the HSL tab etc. would be preferred.
Anything in the pipeline (or anything missed) which could be called Full ACR + Bridge LE (light edition), while running on Windowz ?
Please note that this is not a question about pricing and getting the best for least money. If it costs as much as (lets say LR), so be it.
Peter

Hi Peter,
Just a comment on your LR import/export issues. I agree and dislike the way it requires importing images, but I've got a work around that is semi-satisfactory (for me anyway).
I've imported a single folder at the top level, under which all my own folder structure is organised. When I have added images to this structure I "synchronise" the top level folder, which basically just imports the new images into the LR database.
It's far more time consuming than it should be (especially as the folder grows bigger), but atleast it means LR sticks to the folder structure that _I_ want, and it's not as tedious as manually importing each new folder.
For me, the editing abilities of LR are good enough that a trial of PS (and PSE) sat idle because I never needed to edit in it.
Hope this helps,
James

Why Does the Photograph's Preview Change in Lightroom and Bridge? | The Complete Picture with Julieanne Kost | Adobe TV

In this video tutorial Julieanne explains one of the great mysteries of Lightroom and Bridge – why Lightroom (or Bridge) displays a photograph one way and then changes the way it looks a moment later. It will all become clear with just a little information about how digital camera files are captured and displayed by different applications.
http://adobe.ly/LiGnOc

This tutorial was outstanding in explaining why Bridge and LR may have different renditions of the same photograph as well as why it changes after a few seconds. This camera calibration video is one of the best that I have seen.

Should I use Lightroom or Bridge? | The Complete Picture with Julieanne Kost | Adobe TV

In this episode of the Complete Picture, Julieanne Kost helps you decide which application is right for your workflow by explaining the differences between Lightroom and Bridge for managing images and assets.
http://adobe.ly/zi93Ct

Lightroom 4 supports Soft Proof capability that also lets you see an accurate histogram for different output RGB spaces. Lightroom 5 now also supports under 'Edit In' > 'Open As Smart Object in Photoshop.'
I agree the tutorial was excellent, thank you very much. I would just like to add that there is no reason why you can't use both Lightroom and Adobe Bridge for"digtal asset management." Keyword metadata added in LR can be written to the file or XMP sidecar using CTRL+S keys that will appear in Adobe Bridge and vice-versa. I do most of my InDesign layout image processing using LR, but keep track of ALL my project assests using Bridge. Keywords are added using BOTH applications with no issues to date.

Lightroom and Bridge

Ok, we all know there is great integration between Lightroom and Photoshop, as there should be. What about Bridge?
Or is Bridge being phased out even though it of course is integrated with almost all Adobe products?

Remember that Bridge is for folder browsing, like a glorified Finder or Explorer, and not for cataloguing. Lightroom is a catalogue and can record the location of pictures whether or not they are on drives connected to the computer. Bridge searches go through the file system, so chugging through all attached drives to find pictures, while LR searches its database. Those are big differences.
"Lightroom is better for images without a doubt. So in the eyes of someone who does graphic work, will Lightroom replace Bridge?"
No for graphic work, and that's Ian's point about the limited range of file types that LR handles. But in the eyes of someone who only does photographic work, Lightroom is likely to substantially replace Bridge, and in many cases totally. Quite often, continuing to use Bridge is because some people don't/can't get their head around working with a catalogue-based workflow, and/or they have a preference for working with folders. I might use Bridge to dig into metadata, but not for much else (I use iView/ExMedia catalogues for managing other file types).
John

How Do I upload from Lightroom and Bridge to the Creative Cloud

How Do I upload from Lightroom and Bridge to the Creative Cloud?

Adobe is still failing on this very important issue!
They said that their Creative Cloud Connection app would be ready in May/June, and here we are in October!
I wish Adobe would learn to not release products that are not ready to be used, my 20GB are useless to me unbtil they do something that integrates Br, Lr, Id & Ps specifically with the cloud. I really think that we should start charging interest for the money that we have been loaning Adobe for their developement process.

Basic: Does or can Lightroom replace Bridge

I have been using Lightroom and am switching from Elements 5 to CS2. Can Lightroom replace Bridge?
Thanks in advance

if you're a photographer, LR basically is the new Bridge. Bridge and the associated work flow sucked, so they gave us a new application that just cuts out one of the steps. That's about it...

Basic: Does Lightroom replace Bridge?

I am giving up my training wheels and moving from Elements to CS2. I have tried Lightroom and find it impressive. Does or can Lightroom replace Bridge, or do I have to learn Bridge also when learning CS2? Thanks,

Bridge is really designed for people who use much more of the Creative Suite than just PhotoShop. And CS is designed (IMHO) for graphics designers and such, not for photographers.
LR is designed for photographers. Adobe doesn't make a pixel-editor that's designed for photographers. Elements 3 is what I use because it's the closest. But I'd love to eventually see a dedicated pixel editor, with all non-destructive commands, eventually integrated into LR as a module. This would include the fundamentals of image editing post RAW conversion (layers, masks, selection tools, brushes, etc.).
No I don't expect this to be in version 1.x of LR. ;-)

Ipad and Lightroom or Bridge

Dear fellows,
I did a decent search but I can not find an answer for my problem.
Can anyone tell me if it is possible to install or Lightroom or Bridge on an iPad I bought Yesterday?
I'm a photographer doing concertphotography and I want to judge the first pictures I take at the beginning of the repetition.
Kind regards for your help,
L.

For the iPad you can only install programs (called app) that are obtained from Apple's App Store. If there is not an Aperture or Bridge app in the store you are out of luck

Lightroom or Bridge, which is best to change 20m photo names

I would like to completely change the naming structure of approximately 20,000 images and would like to hear opinions on which program, Lightroom or Bridge, to use and if there are any precautions with either program that I should be aware of.

Ray, I have LR and CS4. In the last few days I've tried to use Bridge to rename a folder with about 250 photos in it. I've never had more problems with such a simple operation. Bridge would stop renaming them and half would end up with temp file names. I would select all of the files and do a batch rename and then nothing would happen. I would wait and wait and nothing would happen. Then I would quit Bridge and get the Windows message that Bridge experienced a problem and would I send an error report, and when I reopened the folder half of the files would again have temporary names assigned by Bridge. It took me hours to finally get them all renamed. I don't know if it is my computer, my OS, or what but it was an irritating mess. I will never use Bridge to do file management again.
Like was said, if they are in LR then you have to use LR to do this. But if they aren't in LR I would download Irfanview to do the batch renaming. I've never had a problem with it and it's fast and easy.

Elements vs. lightroom vs bridge

I would like to know the purposes of elements vs. lightroom vs bridge. I am currently using bridge and elements (CS3) and plan on upgrading to CC2014 soon.
All of my tagging etc was done in Elements, but don't seem to be visible in bridge... If I understand correctly, Photoshop CC2014 includes bridge, abd the Photographer Package includes Photoshop and Lightroom.
My questions are:
1) Will my tags that are in my elements import into Lightroom?
2) What is the purposes of Lightroom vs. Bridge?
Any clarification would be helpful.
Thanks in advance!

It depends on what you want to do. Bridge is a browser, not an image management system, which allows keywording and raw processing. Lightroom is a fancier image management system than the organizer, with very good raw processing built in, and yes, you can set PSE as your external editor from LR.
I'd just give bridge and LR a try and see which your prefer. Personally, I prefer to retain control of my photos myself, so I like bridge, but there are many people who infinitely prefer LR. It's all a question of how you like to work.

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