Lightroom displays colors differently than Photoshop

Lightroom (and my image previewer - IfranView) display my image colors differently than photoshop. This is very disturbing (why can't Adobe make this simple!)!
Image in question - see below. Center image is Photoshop, left is Lr 4 and right is InfranView.
Colorspace: AdobeRGB 1998
Image color (exported the TIFF file in Lr, what is shown below): AdobeRGB 1998
NOTE: when I export out as sRGB, IfranView displays it correctly (I don't know why, it can't display ProPhoto correctly, but never had a problem with AdobeRGB). Lightroom looks incorrect when viewing the TIFF, AdobeRGB JPEG and sRGB JPEG.
What is going on?? I've tried this on two computers now and it is the same problem!

The larger file is Adobe RGB and the smaller file is sRGB. I see no difference in overall tone or color between the two files in LR 3, LR 4, LR 5, PS CS5, PS CS6, PS CC 2014, or Windows Photo Viewer which is color-managed, aside from an almost imperceptible change in the darkest blacks which I'd expect since you're converting AdobeRGB to sRGB at some point.
I can make the Adobe RGB one look like it does at the left of your first screenshot if I Assign Profile: sRGB to it in PS.
Since your monitor appears to be wide-gamut and therefore similar to Adobe RGB, I think the problem you're having is that LR thinks the monitor is sRGB for some reason, perhaps due to your switching the cables from one computer to the other without rebooting and recalibrating. It's also possible that your profile is stored in the monitor rather than in the computer and one computer understands this and the other doesn't so you're getting double-profiling or no profiling occurring.
It sounds the your only issue is having two computers attached alternatively to one monitor without having a valid profile on each computer for that monitor and aren't restarting each computer to load that profile. At least that is my analysis given the limited information.
I would conclude that nothing is wrong with LR or PS just the hardware connections and the color management confusion between the two computers, not your confusion, the computers'.

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