Loading metadata resets Develop settings
Because I'm scanning slides and Lightroom apparently cannot add capture dates and the like, I am using exifer to write metadata to my scans. I first load them into Lightroom and then import XMP metadata. I load them first so I can see them while I decide what dates to apply.
Today I finally did a test on what Lightroom does with any existing information that is NOT metadata information. I did some adjustments in Develop then imported the metadata from the files. Lightroom did a reset settings on each file as it imported the metadata. I can go back to Develop and "back up" because the history is all there, but this would have to be done file by file, I think. This is very curious to me. Develop settings are not stored in metadata, right? Why then would it decide that an import of metadata would trigger a reset?
I can work around this but it isn't how I would expect it to work. Is there a way to look at it that does make sense? This means you cannot use an external program to update metadata and then import it without losing your adjustments.
Try this. If you first write/export the adjustments to XMP in LR, if you are not already doing so, and then do the Exifer thing and then import from XMP, does the same thing happen?
Do a test image or two as a trial.
You can use Menu/Metadata/XMP> to do selected images for export, then import.
Don
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In the Catalog Settings under the Metadata tab, I have unchecked the option 'Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF and PSD files'.
I then selected a JPEG photograph in the Library module and chose Metadata/Save Metatdata to File. I wanted to save the metadata that I had added (keywords, IPTC, rating, etc), but not the develop settings.
I then imported the jpeg back into another catalog. The metadata I had added was there as expected, but so are the develop settings. This I did not expect or want.
Have I got something wrong here? My understanding is that turning off the 'Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF and PSD files' option means that develop settings are not written to the xmp area in non raw files such as jpegs.
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TonyHello all,
I have investigated this problem further and now have the answer. It is not that the option "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files" is ignored, but it appears that the LR catalog is not properly updated when this option is turned off.
Here are steps to test and illustrate the problem:
1. Create a new folder and place a copy of an original jpeg image (original from camera) in the new folder. Make sure you keep the original safe and only work on copies.
2. Create a new catalog in Lightroom 2.3.
3. Import the jpeg image from the new folder.
4. Add some metadata (keywords, ratings, title, caption, IPTC data, etc).
5. Make some Develop adjustments to the image.
6. Open "Catalogue Settings" from the Edit menu and check (enable) the option "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files". Uncheck (disable) the "Automatically write changes into XMP" option.
7. Select "Save Metadata to File".
8. Delete the jpeg image from the Library module, then re-import it.
9. Copy the original image back to the new folder, replacing the updated jpeg (once again, the jpeg image now contains no metadata from Lightroom). At this stage, Lightroom fails to recognize that the metadata in the LR catalog doesn’t match the metadata content in the jpeg file. I would have though that it should.
10. Open "Catalogue Settings" from the Edit menu and uncheck (turn off) the option "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files".
11. Reset the Develop settings.
12. You now need to make a change to the metadata like increase or decrease the rating (otherwise LR won’t save any metadata to the jpeg file - LR is being too smart and thinks it’s already up to date, so does nothing when you do the next step).
12. Select "Save Metadata to File".
13. Delete the jpeg image from the Library module again, then re-import it again.
14. Look at the develop settings (that you specifically did not want saved within the jpeg file in step 10).
Although the Develop settings were Reset in step 11, you have ended up with the original Develop settings from step 5. It is true that LR has not saved the reset develop settings, but it also hasn’t removed the old develop settings that are still stored in the catalog. This must be considered a bug (oversight). Note that it has also saved an Import snapshot as well.
For the more technically minded (and the LR developers if you are listening), the field "xmp" in the table "Adobe_AdditionalMetadata" is not updated (old camera raw settings and snapshot settings are left behind) when the "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files" option is unchecked (disabled) and it seems that this is the data that is written to the jpeg file when you select "Save Metadata to File". Note that the state of "Automatically write changes into XMP" has not effect on this process - I tried it on and off.
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In general, you do not need snapshots for the purpose you are using them for. Snapshots are an optional way of saving conditions along the way to your final edit.
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Save metadata to file + Edit in PS = Reset develop adjustments?
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I don't know if this issue has been raised before, since it's not easy to describe it and, hence, to perform a search based on it. I would like to know if this is a bug or there is some reason for it which I haven't think of yet.
Let me explain... I use LR 3.3 to develop a raw file as usual. Ok. Then I do "Edit in PS" to perform some pixel edition, then back to Lr. Next, I apply some LR adjustments to the resulting file (PSD or TIFF, depending on the preferences) that I just edited in PS. So far, everything's fine: I can keep going back and forth between PS and LR without trouble...
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This doesn't happen if I uncheck the "Include develop settings in metadata in jpg, tiff and psd files" in the Metadata tab of the Catalog preferences.
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Wondering if someone could quickly help me with understanding how develop settings are read back into lightroom... (I'm using lightroom 3.6) as I've just had a bit of a panic that my mis-understanding of the system might have screwed things up a bit!
As I do all my image tinkering on a laptop with a small disk, I am often archiving directories of images to an old server we have, and then just bringing them back onto my laptop whenever I need them again. I have a single lightroom catalog on my laptop, and I thought (I now think wrongly!) that all my develop settings updates were stored solely in the lightroom catalog on my laptop, and as long as I kept a copy of the original jpeg images knocking around somewhere so that I could restore them to my laptop when needed, that I could always get back to the most recently edited version of my images. Often I copied a directory of images from the server to the laptop, edited them with lightroom, then deleted the jpg files from the laptop thinking the originals left on the server would be sufficient to restore my work later.
However recently just before deleting a batch of jpgs from the laptop, I did a quick compare with the server and was horrified to realise that the files where different, and that changes *are* written to the jpeg files! Looking in lightroom I have the 'Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG [etc] files' turned on.
My questions would be:
1 - Have I lost work by effectively deleting the metadata from the jpeg files or is it also preserved in the catalog?
2 - What would happen if some develop settings for an image were stored in the catalog, and a completely different set of develop settings were stored in the file - which would take priority?
3 - Have I screwed up and if so is there anything I can do to minimise the damage? : {
Many thanks for any advice!!
NicolaMy questions would be:
1 - Have I lost work by effectively deleting the metadata from the jpeg files or is it also preserved in the catalog?
2 - What would happen if some develop settings for an image were stored in the catalog, and a completely different set of develop settings were stored in the file - which would take priority?
3 - Have I screwed up and if so is there anything I can do to minimise the damage? : {
1. Lightroom ALWAYS stores the edits in its catalog file.
2. Lightroom ALWAYS uses the edits in its catalog file. The information stored in the JPG is NEVER used to display the image in Lightroom.
3. As long as you don't eliminate the photo from the catalog, you are fine, your edits are present in the catalog file and Lightroom will use those to display the image.
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I've just discovered that option in the "Catalog Settings -> Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF and PSD files" have no effect.
I tested this with JPEG and TIFF inside LR 3.3 RC1, but it looks like this issue is present even in LR 2.x too.
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I recently moved all of my photos from 2009 to an external HD to save some space on my laptop. I pointed the catalog to the new location ...
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