Lunar linux and sourced based distros in general
Whilst looking for versions of linux that I haven't tried as of yet, I stumbled across Lunar.
Distrowatch:
Lunar is a source based Linux distribution with a unique package management system which builds each software package, or module, for the machine it is being installed on. Though it can take a while to do a complete Lunar installation it's worth it as it tends to be quite fast, once installed! In the beginning Lunar was a fork of Sorcerer GNU Linux (SGL). The fork occurred in late January to early February of 2002 and was originally made up of a small group of people who wanted to collaboratively develop and extend the Sorcerer technology. The original name for the project was Lunar-Penguin but the group decided to re-christen it Lunar Linux while the Lunar-Penguin name has become a sort of umbrella which the team could use if they decide to collaboratively develop something besides Lunar Linux.
Has anyone tried this flavour yet? Might give it a whirl on a VM (compile times on a VM might be a deal breaker though!). Something which strikes me as odd is the fact the forums are closed.. link. I cant find any information as to why this is the case.
Does the community think that sourced based distributions are better than pre-compiled versions? There dont seem to be that many sourced based about, but of those that are they seem to tout speed as a big plus.
Gentoo "Extreme performance, configurability and a top-notch user and developer community are all hallmarks of the Gentoo experience".
Lunar "locally compiling an optimized system tailored toward the users specific needs. This should result in a lean and optimized operating system for example both tout speed as being one of their major plus points".
Is the linux world lazy, and just like the ease of .deb .rpm pacman etc? Because if sourced based is better, then surely there would be more sourced based distros about? So this leads me to think that either potential sourced based bonuses dont outweigh the time it takes to compile, or the linux world is just plain lazy (hardware issues aside as a reason not to used sourced based).
ryuslash wrote:
I've tried it a couple of times, but I've never gotten it to work, always with installing something some dependency couldn't be met because it couldn't be found on the server. Too bad too because I really thought it could be interesting...
Oh well, now I've found arch
Same experience here.
I won't call Lunar a bad distro. It has some appeal for a small niche-within-a-niche. However, because of the small size of the project and community, the quality suffers.
I've tried it in the past on the most generic hardware I had at the time and there were always installation issues which turned out to be showstoppers for me.
There are so many distros, yet in my view, there are so few high-quality distros.
Debian (big), Slackware (small), Arch (small), Fedora (big), and Centos (small) are all good, solid distros.
I find once I venture outside of these solid systems, lack of quality and annoying bugs manifest themselves. And even though a project may look intriguing for its innovation or fresh approach, unexpected behavior is to be expected.
YMMV
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Rebuild everything from source:
bauerbill --build-all -S $(pacman -Qq)
Build all available upgrade from source, including dependencies:
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bauerbill --build-all -S <pkgname>
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*edit*
Of course, you could simply enable "BuildAll" in the configuration file and skip the flag.
@Xyne
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The bug report from "Tactical intervention" follows:
Process: tacint_osx [3304]
Path: /Users/USER/Library/Application Support/Steam/*/tacint_osx
Identifier: tacint_osx
Version: ???
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: bash [3301]
User ID: 501
Date/Time: 2013-08-30 13:44:00.342 +0200
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.8.4 (12E55)
Report Version: 10
Interval Since Last Report: 120536 sec
Crashes Since Last Report: 2
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 2
Anonymous UUID: A8FD5912-2699-8EB1-69E9-9CE46F77DF51
Crashed Thread: 0 MainThrd Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000000
VM Regions Near 0:
--> __PAGEZERO 0000000000000000-0000000000001000 [ 4K] ---/--- SM=NUL /Users/USER/Library/Application Support/Steam/*
__TEXT 0000000000001000-0000000000002000 [ 4K] r-x/rwx SM=COW /Users/USER/Library/Application Support/Steam/*
Thread 0 Crashed:: MainThrd Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 engine.dylib 0x09a3ee7f Sys_Error_Internal(bool, char const*, char*) + 383
1 engine.dylib 0x09a3eee3 Sys_Error(char const*, ...) + 35
2 engine.dylib 0x09e56a3d CEngineConsoleLoggingListener::Log(LoggingContext_t const*, char const*) + 749
3 libtier0.dylib 0x0003928b CLoggingSystem::LogDirect(int, LoggingSeverity_t, Color, char const*) + 235
4 libtier0.dylib 0x00038dfc Error + 236
5 client.dylib 0x1923f9d6 BaseModUI::TIMainMenuContainer::Resp_Login(fixapi2::eFixLoginResult, int, int) + 118
6 launcher.dylib 0x005413d9 fixapi2_impl::CFixClientAPI::CommonPacket_Login(fixapi2_impl::CFixClientSocket* , fixapi2_impl::CFixClientPacket*) + 521
7 launcher.dylib 0x00536a57 fixapi2_impl::CFixClientAPI::Do_ReadPacket(fixapi2::IFixPacket*) + 423
8 launcher.dylib 0x00539e31 fixapi2_impl::CFixClientAPI::Do_MainFrame() + 833
9 client.dylib 0x18d3819c IGameSystem::UpdateAllSystems(float) + 108
10 client.dylib 0x18e99bb2 CHLClient::HudUpdate(bool) + 130
11 engine.dylib 0x09bd98e6 ClientDLL_Update() + 54
12 engine.dylib 0x09d29e92 _Host_RunFrame(float) + 2722
13 engine.dylib 0x09d45819 CHostState::State_Run(float) + 281
14 engine.dylib 0x09d46400 CHostState::FrameUpdate(float) + 592
15 engine.dylib 0x09d464c5 HostState_Frame(float) + 37
16 engine.dylib 0x09e5c246 CEngine::Frame() + 710
17 engine.dylib 0x09e59556 CEngineAPI::MainLoop() + 214
18 engine.dylib 0x09e5973a CModAppSystemGroup::Main() + 234
19 engine.dylib 0x09ebf7b8 CAppSystemGroup::Run() + 88
20 engine.dylib 0x09e59ecd CEngineAPI::RunListenServer() + 125
21 launcher.dylib 0x005199c8 CAppSystemGroup::Run() + 88
22 launcher.dylib 0x005199c8 CAppSystemGroup::Run() + 88
23 launcher.dylib 0x00521a92 MainFunctionThread(void*) + 82
24 launcher.dylib 0x005220bc ValveCocoaMain + 140
25 launcher.dylib 0x0050f441 LauncherMain + 897
26 tacint_osx 0x00001d26 start + 54
Thread 1:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.libdispatch-manager
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a39ae kevent + 10
1 libdispatch.dylib 0x96f13c71 _dispatch_mgr_invoke + 993
2 libdispatch.dylib 0x96f137a9 _dispatch_mgr_thread + 53
Thread 2:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a30ee __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972660ac _pthread_workq_return + 45
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97265e79 _pthread_wqthread + 448
3 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd2a start_wqthread + 30
Thread 3:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a30ee __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972660ac _pthread_workq_return + 45
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97265e79 _pthread_wqthread + 448
3 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd2a start_wqthread + 30
Thread 4:: IOPollingHelperThread
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a39ae kevent + 10
1 steamclient.dylib 0x060889c5 OSXHelpers::CIOPollingHelper::RealRun() + 249
2 libtier0_s.dylib 0x00704f3d CatchAndWriteContext_t::Invoke() + 159
3 libtier0_s.dylib 0x00704ac8 CatchAndWriteMiniDumpExForVoidPtrFn + 86
4 libtier0_s.dylib 0x00704af2 CatchAndWriteMiniDumpForVoidPtrFn + 37
5 steamclient.dylib 0x060888bb OSXHelpers::CIOPollingHelper::Run() + 41
6 libtier0_s.dylib 0x00709314 SteamThreadTools::CThread::ThreadExceptionWrapper(void*) + 16
7 libtier0_s.dylib 0x00704f3d CatchAndWriteContext_t::Invoke() + 159
8 libtier0_s.dylib 0x00704ac8 CatchAndWriteMiniDumpExForVoidPtrFn + 86
9 libtier0_s.dylib 0x00704af2 CatchAndWriteMiniDumpForVoidPtrFn + 37
10 libtier0_s.dylib 0x0070928c SteamThreadTools::CThread::ThreadProc(void*) + 196
11 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
12 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 5:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a30ee __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972660ac _pthread_workq_return + 45
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97265e79 _pthread_wqthread + 448
3 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd2a start_wqthread + 30
Thread 6:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a28e2 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97268280 _pthread_cond_wait + 833
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972ee0e0 pthread_cond_timedwait$UNIX2003 + 70
3 libtier0.dylib 0x00049733 CThreadSyncObject::Wait(unsigned int) + 307
4 libtier0.dylib 0x000497c8 CThreadEvent::Wait(unsigned int) + 24
5 libvstdlib.dylib 0x00092857 CJobThread::Run() + 295
6 libtier0.dylib 0x0004acc4 CThread::ThreadProc(void*) + 212
7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 7:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a28e2 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97268280 _pthread_cond_wait + 833
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972ee0e0 pthread_cond_timedwait$UNIX2003 + 70
3 libtier0.dylib 0x00049733 CThreadSyncObject::Wait(unsigned int) + 307
4 libtier0.dylib 0x000497c8 CThreadEvent::Wait(unsigned int) + 24
5 libvstdlib.dylib 0x00092857 CJobThread::Run() + 295
6 libtier0.dylib 0x0004acc4 CThread::ThreadProc(void*) + 212
7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 8:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a28e2 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97268280 _pthread_cond_wait + 833
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972ee0e0 pthread_cond_timedwait$UNIX2003 + 70
3 libtier0.dylib 0x00049733 CThreadSyncObject::Wait(unsigned int) + 307
4 libtier0.dylib 0x000497c8 CThreadEvent::Wait(unsigned int) + 24
5 libvstdlib.dylib 0x00092857 CJobThread::Run() + 295
6 libtier0.dylib 0x0004acc4 CThread::ThreadProc(void*) + 212
7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 9:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a28e2 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97268280 _pthread_cond_wait + 833
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972ee0e0 pthread_cond_timedwait$UNIX2003 + 70
3 libtier0.dylib 0x00049733 CThreadSyncObject::Wait(unsigned int) + 307
4 libtier0.dylib 0x000497c8 CThreadEvent::Wait(unsigned int) + 24
5 libvstdlib.dylib 0x00092857 CJobThread::Run() + 295
6 libtier0.dylib 0x0004acc4 CThread::ThreadProc(void*) + 212
7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 10:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a28e2 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97268280 _pthread_cond_wait + 833
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972ee0e0 pthread_cond_timedwait$UNIX2003 + 70
3 libtier0.dylib 0x00049733 CThreadSyncObject::Wait(unsigned int) + 307
4 libtier0.dylib 0x000497c8 CThreadEvent::Wait(unsigned int) + 24
5 libvstdlib.dylib 0x00092857 CJobThread::Run() + 295
6 libtier0.dylib 0x0004acc4 CThread::ThreadProc(void*) + 212
7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 11:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a28e2 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97268280 _pthread_cond_wait + 833
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972ee0e0 pthread_cond_timedwait$UNIX2003 + 70
3 libtier0.dylib 0x00049733 CThreadSyncObject::Wait(unsigned int) + 307
4 libtier0.dylib 0x000497c8 CThreadEvent::Wait(unsigned int) + 24
5 libvstdlib.dylib 0x00092857 CJobThread::Run() + 295
6 libtier0.dylib 0x0004acc4 CThread::ThreadProc(void*) + 212
7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 12:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a28e2 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97268280 _pthread_cond_wait + 833
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972ee0e0 pthread_cond_timedwait$UNIX2003 + 70
3 libtier0.dylib 0x00049733 CThreadSyncObject::Wait(unsigned int) + 307
4 libtier0.dylib 0x000497c8 CThreadEvent::Wait(unsigned int) + 24
5 libvstdlib.dylib 0x00092857 CJobThread::Run() + 295
6 libtier0.dylib 0x0004acc4 CThread::ThreadProc(void*) + 212
7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 13:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a28e2 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97268280 _pthread_cond_wait + 833
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972ee0e0 pthread_cond_timedwait$UNIX2003 + 70
3 libtier0.dylib 0x00049733 CThreadSyncObject::Wait(unsigned int) + 307
4 libtier0.dylib 0x000497c8 CThreadEvent::Wait(unsigned int) + 24
5 libvstdlib.dylib 0x00092857 CJobThread::Run() + 295
6 libtier0.dylib 0x0004acc4 CThread::ThreadProc(void*) + 212
7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 14:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a28e2 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97268280 _pthread_cond_wait + 833
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972ee0e0 pthread_cond_timedwait$UNIX2003 + 70
3 libtier0.dylib 0x00049733 CThreadSyncObject::Wait(unsigned int) + 307
4 libtier0.dylib 0x000497c8 CThreadEvent::Wait(unsigned int) + 24
5 libvstdlib.dylib 0x00092857 CJobThread::Run() + 295
6 libtier0.dylib 0x0004acc4 CThread::ThreadProc(void*) + 212
7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 15:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a28e2 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97268280 _pthread_cond_wait + 833
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972ee0e0 pthread_cond_timedwait$UNIX2003 + 70
3 libtier0.dylib 0x00049733 CThreadSyncObject::Wait(unsigned int) + 307
4 libtier0.dylib 0x000497c8 CThreadEvent::Wait(unsigned int) + 24
5 libvstdlib.dylib 0x00092857 CJobThread::Run() + 295
6 libtier0.dylib 0x0004acc4 CThread::ThreadProc(void*) + 212
7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 16:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a28e2 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97268280 _pthread_cond_wait + 833
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972ee0e0 pthread_cond_timedwait$UNIX2003 + 70
3 libtier0.dylib 0x00049733 CThreadSyncObject::Wait(unsigned int) + 307
4 libtier0.dylib 0x000497c8 CThreadEvent::Wait(unsigned int) + 24
5 libvstdlib.dylib 0x00092857 CJobThread::Run() + 295
6 libtier0.dylib 0x0004acc4 CThread::ThreadProc(void*) + 212
7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 17:: AQClient
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a07d2 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x9309fcb0 mach_msg + 68
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9472af79 __CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 185
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9473095f __CFRunLoopRun + 1247
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9473001a CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 378
5 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9472fe8b CFRunLoopRunInMode + 123
6 com.apple.audio.toolbox.AudioToolbox 0x90096a81 GenericRunLoopThread::Entry(void*) + 209
7 com.apple.audio.toolbox.AudioToolbox 0x900969ac CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 196
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
9 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 18:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a28e2 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97268280 _pthread_cond_wait + 833
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972ee0e0 pthread_cond_timedwait$UNIX2003 + 70
3 libtier0.dylib 0x00049733 CThreadSyncObject::Wait(unsigned int) + 307
4 libtier0.dylib 0x000497c8 CThreadEvent::Wait(unsigned int) + 24
5 engine.dylib 0x09db1029 CQueuedPacketSender::Run() + 121
6 libtier0.dylib 0x0004acc4 CThread::ThreadProc(void*) + 212
7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 19:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a28e2 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97268280 _pthread_cond_wait + 833
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972ee095 pthread_cond_wait$UNIX2003 + 71
3 com.apple.audio.toolbox.AudioToolbox 0x900a69c1 CAGuard::Wait() + 113
4 com.apple.audio.toolbox.AudioToolbox 0x900a5619 AQConverterManager::AQConverterThread::Run() + 271
5 com.apple.audio.toolbox.AudioToolbox 0x900a54a2 AQConverterManager::AQConverterThread::ConverterThreadEntry(void*) + 22
6 com.apple.audio.toolbox.AudioToolbox 0x900969ac CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 196
7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 20:: com.apple.audio.IOThread.client
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a07d2 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x9309fcb0 mach_msg + 68
2 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96c6eeba HALB_MachPort::SendMessageWithReply(unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned long, unsigned long, mach_msg_header_t*, bool, unsigned int) + 138
3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96c6952e HALB_MachPort::SendSimpleMessageWithSimpleReply(unsigned int, unsigned int, int, int&, bool, unsigned int) + 70
4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96c67bcd HALC_ProxyIOContext::IOWorkLoop() + 1287
5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96c67617 HALC_ProxyIOContext::IOThreadEntry(void*) + 145
6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96c71b61 ___ZN19HALC_ProxyIOContextC2Emj_block_invoke_0 + 20
7 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x96c6753d HALB_IOThread::Entry(void*) + 71
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972635b7 _pthread_start + 344
9 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd4e thread_start + 34
Thread 21:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x930a30ee __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x972660ac _pthread_workq_return + 45
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x97265e79 _pthread_wqthread + 448
3 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9724dd2a start_wqthread + 30
Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0xdeadbeef ebx: 0x09a3ed17 ecx: 0xbfffdb84 edx: 0x00002500
edi: 0xaca3b174 esi: 0xbfffdbfc ebp: 0xbfffe018 esp: 0xbfffdbd0
ss: 0x00000023 efl: 0x00210282 eip: 0x09a3ee7f cs: 0x0000001b
ds: 0x00000023 es: 0x00000023 fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x0000000f
cr2: 0x00000000
Logical CPU: 2
Binary Images:
0x1000 - 0x1fff +tacint_osx (???) <61864F59-8A71-C466-4887-AC7CCB0C9B9D> /Users/USER/Library/Application Support/Steam/*/tacint_osx
0x4000 - 0x1dff3 +gameoverlayrenderer.dylib (1) <C6AD9D84-0A5D-3598-9C2D-81FF881D168A> /Applications/Steam.app/Contents/MacOS/osx32/gameoverlayrenderer.dylib
0x34000 - 0x34ffb +steamloader.dylib (0) <04FED4D9-EA7B-3389-8885-307D47EC1AF1> /Applications/Steam.app/Contents/MacOS/osx32/steamloader.dylib
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0x98136000 - 0x98153ff7 libresolv.9.dylib (51) <B974Hi, never played them or had Steam, but it appears to be something about the Login as far as I can tell, but not sure of course.
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Function-Based Indexes (FBI) on Linux and Solaris
I have a question about FBI on different systems (Linux and Solaris).
---- Oracle on Linux -----
SQL> CREATE TABLE T_DUMMY(NAME VARCHAR(20));
Table created.
SQL> CREATE INDEX T_DUMMY_IDX ON T_DUMMY(UPPER(NAME));
Index created.
However, when I do the same on the Oracle running on Solaris, I get the following error:
---- Oracle on Solaris -----
SQL> CREATE TABLE T_DUMMY(NAME VARCHAR(20));
Table created.
SQL> CREATE INDEX T_DUMMY_IDX ON T_DUMMY(UPPER(NAME));
CREATE INDEX T_DUMMY_IDX ON T_DUMMY(UPPER(NAME))
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-01031: insufficient privileges
I know that I have to add "QUERY REWRITE" in order to create a FBI. However, why Oracle on Linux behave differently. Would it be any difference/problem if I do NOT add "QUERY REWRITE" for Oracle on Linux (For example, would the EXPLAIN PLAN different)?general user settings are the same (privilege, role) Well, the specific settings must be different. I would check to see whether one of the roles has been granted the QUERY REWRITE system privilege on your Linux instance but not on Solaris.
Cheers, APC -
There are two CDC methods - Source based CDC and Target based CDC which one
There are two CDC methods - Source based CDC and Target based CDC, which one is better performancewise. in data services.
If there is any document available which compares both and provides any info on performance etc, will be helpful.
thank you for the helpful info.LIke Suneer mentioned CDC is for better performance.
Following link would be helpful.
http://wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/display/BOBJ/Extractors-Source-Based+CDC
http://wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/display/BOBJ/Extractors-Target-Based+CDC
Thanks,
Arun -
Cisco ACS Server Tacacs Based on LDAP AND Source IP Possible???
Hi All,
I have used Cisco ACS tacacs for authentication based on Active Directory. Is it possible to use Active Directory as a criteria for authentication AND source IP?
For example, if someone wants to log in to a certain device... they must have correct credentials AND their IP must be sourcing from the acceptable subnet range.
Thanks!I see your point. This will depend if the user's IP is provided in the authentication request, if this information is provided then you can use the feature called "End Station Filter". This feature is used as a Condition in the Access Policy to deny or allow access. Below are the steps:
1. Create a End Station Filter, here configure the user's IP
2. Customize your Conditions under Access Policies/Authorization to use End Station Filter
3. Define your rule with the required result -
Authoritative advice today:
The GNU Bourne Again Shell (Bash) is a command line utility widely used in many Unix-based operating systems including Linux and OS X.
Researchers have discovered a critical flaw in Bash which could allow remote code execution by an unauthenticated user
APPLE response?Also see:
http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/26/apple-os-x-users-safe-bash-flaw-update-soon/
If you are not running a web server
If you have not enabled CUPS web interface
If you do not allow anonymous users to ssh into your Mac.
If all are no, they you are not at risk.
This IS a very serious bug for web servers, but the typical consumer Mac user is not at risk. -
This is not a question, but rather a personal guide that has proved to be running successfully.
I would like to thank numerous sources, including Christopher Murphy's suggestions at:
Re: Repairing Boot Camp after creating new partition
Before proceeding, there are certain concepts needs to know:
Why Boot Camp does NOT allow further partitioning of drives after Windows has installed?
Answer: Because the way Apple configures the Mac to be recognized as non UEFI capable system on Windows.
Quote from Christopher Murphy based on the above line:
However, Windows on Macs right now use CSM-BIOS mode in Mac firmware that presents BIOS to Windows rather than EFI. Windows thinks it's on a BIOS computer, and therefore mandates the use of MBR for boot disks, rather than GPT. So that's why we have this hybrid MBR+GPT approach on Mac with Windows on it. You inherit the limitations of MBR, which is four primary partitions.
So what does it means?
It means that OSX + EFI + Recovery HD + Boot Camp partition = 4 primary partitions and thus any attempt to modify the disk will render booting issues of either system.
For more info on GPT (GUID Partition Table disks VS Master Boot Record or MBR in short, you may visit: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/dn640535%28v=vs.85%29.a spx)
So, how to overcome it?
The general guideline is to install ALL GPT ready OS first then create a Data partition, before installing Windows (Which is again, NOT supported GPT due to EFI configuration by Apple where end-users are not able to modify it).
Interestingly, since Mac Pro 2013 Late supports only Windows 8 and above, thus it is not known if this CSM-BIOS applies to it or not.
Do take note that GPT disks in Windows can only be booted when the system meets the 2 requirements:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/dn640535%28v=vs.85%29.a spx#gpt_faq_win7_boot
1) Windows x64 version (Which is a must for newer Macs. If you cannot go to Boot Camp 5, then you need Windows 7 x86 or 32bit version)
2) UEFI system. However, Windows sees all Macs (With the possibility of Mac Pro 2013 Late is an exception. To be determined) as BIOS, or rather NON-UEFI system.
In short, booting on GPT disks is not possible for Mac in Windows.
Summary,
It is tested that a combination of the following will not work:
- OSX + Windows + Linux
- Windows + OSX + Linux
- Windows + Linux + OSX
Usually it can create the system un-bootable or OSX refused to install due to the system does not recognize such partitions and / or Disk Utility refused to format a free space. An example screen-shot is provided below:
The error message is shown as
Title: "Failed to erase volume" Message: "Failed to wipe volume, as an error occurred: MediaKit has reported that the device does not have enough free space to execute the requested operations."
The second thing is about the preparations we need.
1) 1X Windows 7 or 8 DVD or USB thumbdrive
1A) If you uses a DVD to install, you will need another thumbdrive to load the BootCamp drivers for Windows as well as may requires an external DVD drive for newer Macs
2) 1X Linux DVD of your choice. Personally I choose Fedora 20.
So ready? Let's go.
1. Using Disk Utility, shrink the OSX's partition size to what is needed. For me, I give OSX 150GB. Do NOT create any new partition.
Disk Utility should see something like below whereby only OSX partition is left with desired disk space. The remaining space are to be unused disk space for the moment.
Note: Click on the top most item that should start with the size of your HDD / SSD. Then clicked on "Partition" and specify the desired OSX size. Hit "Apply" after that.
2: Download Boot Camp drivers only via Boot Camp Assistant. The USB thumbdrive shall be used later after Linux's installation.
Boot Camp Assistant should see this:
I have only selected "Download latest Windows Support Files from Apple"
3. Insert Linux DVD, reboot Mac into EFI mode (The left most first "EFI mode").
Note 1: Before rebooting, please plugged in an Ethernet adapter because Wi-Fi drivers is not installed.
Note 2: For Thunderbolt adapters, it must be plugged in before reboot as hot-swapping is not supported under Linux. More on the tips at the end of this article.
Note 3: Press and hold "Option" after the screen turns black. Release Option key after you see the image as below:For the unfortunate part that did not make it on time to edit the images:
9. Install the Windows Support software from your CD/USB drive to gain full functionality of your computer. Reboot and go to Windows again.
Note 1: You may choose to eject disc at this point of time. For Apple SuperDrive users, you will need to wait until the drivers (i.e. Boot Camp support files) is installed and rebooted before ejecting is reasonably possible (As I failed to figured out how to right click without the drivers)
Note 2: Unlike Windows 7 on KBase article TS4599 Keyboard/trackpad inoperative, black screen, or alert messages when installing Windows 7, USB stick can be plugged in after the Windows installation is done. This is because Windows 7 (And probably Windows 7 with SP1 DVD) does not have a built in USB 3 drivers when it was released back in 2009 where USB3 has not arrived then.
Note 3: Due to TPM, Bitlocker is not supported without the use of thumbdrives.
10. Using Disk Management to determine the given drive letter for the DATA partition (DO NOT DELETE and RECREATE partition or else you can goodbye to booting Linux and OSX). Disk Management will not allow you to format it as exFAT / FAT32 in graphical way.
Note: You may remove or modify some of the disk letters in Disk Management. However, do NOT remove / modfify the drive letter for the partition with 200MB size in HFS. This is because it will disallow booting of Linux and neither could Windows nor OSX can do anything EXCEPT to reinstall Linux only.
11. Open Command Prompt in Administrator Mode (Important!!), and key in the following command:
format F: /FS:exFAT
Give this volume a label after it has successfully formatted before hitting "Enter" again.
Note: Mine Data partition was assigned as F drive. Please make necessary adjustment to "F:" should your Data partition is assigned to other letters.
12. After that, Setup your Data partition structure as you like.
Tip: Minimally create the important folders such as:
- Music
- Documents
- Movie (Videos)
- Downloads
- Pictures
All these folders are commonly used by the 3 OSes. I do NOT recommend changing of /home (OSX and / or Linux) and / or user home directory (Windows) either partially or as a whole.
This is because of compatibility issue.
On a side note, iTunes Media Library used in OSX and Windows are NOT able to be use interchangably due to hard-coded path used.
13. Useful troubleshooting in Fedora / Linux:
With references to these:
http://chaidarun.com/fedora-mbp
http://anderson.the-silvas.com/2014/02/14/fedora-20-on-a-macbook-pro-13-late-201 3-retina-display/
http://unencumberedbyfacts.com/2013/08/16/linux-on-a-macbook-pro-101/
I would like to highlight a few important points:
1) Wi-Fi driver:
http://rpmfusion.org/Configuration
Note 1: The sound driver should be installed at Out of Box Experience. However, the Wi-Fi is not.
Note 2: Install both free and non-free repository. By the way, some other software like VLC can only be found after the Free Repository is installed.
Search for "akmod-wl" in Gnome-Package-Installer in order to install Wi-Fi drivers
Note 3: For those who do not have Ethernet adapters and their Mac does NOT have a built-in Ethernet port, it is recommended to get one. This is because Fedora 20 does not have a good support for iPhone USB tethering. Unsure for Andriod / Blackberry / Windows Phone users.
2) Grub Menu:
It will show several options to boot into OSX, even of the capability to boot into x86 or x64 mode. However, neither of them is bootable except Linux and the rescue.
Hence, it is recommended to remove the items by hand in this file:
/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg
Command to be used:
"sudo gedit /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg"
Parts to be removed:
- For any extra kernels, delete the target entry by locating the line "menuentry" under "/etc/grub.d/10_linux" sector to one line above the next "menuentry".
It is recommended to keep one main kernel, and one recovery at the minimal.
- For other OS, delete all the entry (Since neither it can works) under "/etc/grub.d/30_os-prober" sector without removing the lines starts with ###.
Auto Mount exFAT partition:
- After installing extra packages for exFAT support (Since it is not supported by Fedora 20 from a default installation), you may wish to edit "/etc/fstab" in order to mount the exFAT partition during boot time.
Command to be used:
"sudo gedit /etc/fstab"
Add the following line in gedit:
UUID=702D-912D /run/media/Samuel/DATA exfat defaults 1 2
Note 1: For DATA partition, OSX & Boot Camp partition, Fedora defaults mounts under: "/run/medua/<Username with case sensitive>/<Partition Label Name>"
Note 2: UUID is unique ID. You can find out the UUID by:
Step 1: First determine the DATA partition number:
"sudo gdisk /dev/sda"
Step 2: Determine the UUID of this partition number:
"sudo blkid /dev/sda8"
Reference 1: http://manpages.courier-mta.org/htmlman5/fstab.5.html
Reference 2: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/short-tip-get-uuid-of-hard-disks/
3) Overheating CPU
Solution is to issue the following command in Linux terminal: su -c "echo -n 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/no_turbo"
4) System resumes immediately after suspend
Solution is to issue the following command in Linux terminal: su -c "echo XHC1 > /proc/acpi/wakeup"
5) What does not works well out of box:
- Both GNOME and KDE's fonts are too small to be readable for out of box experience. Additional configuration is a need. (Some of the info can be found on "More Tips" later)
- Thunderbolt hotplugging is NOT supported under Windows and Linux so far. Neither FaceTime HD camera works as well.
- The red light in Headphone jack is always on. I do not have luck in switching off the light without losing the sound.
Note 1: It is determined that the module "snd_hda_intel" is used by both cards (HDMI and normal output)
Note 2: It is also known that blacklisting it can switch off the redlight at the price of muting the system.
Note: Based on this article, http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1574
A Mac (Except Mac Pro) needs servicing when there is a red light while the system fails to detect internal speakers. However, this article does NOT applies to this issue.
5A) More Tips:
Install gnome-tweak-tool for more customization
Search for: "gnome-package" to install:
Install Gnome Package Installer for advanced package repository
Install Gnome Package Updater for advanced updates to be install (Whereby Fedora's App Store alike might not show the relevant updates)
14. Verify if disk is still GPT:
Use Gdisk to determine if the disk is pure GPT:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1742682
Command: sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda (The entire hard drive)
You should see the MBR is "Protective" instead of anything else.
15. Congrats, the system is ready for triple boot. (I forgot to eject my Windows DVD when the photo was taken)
Note 1: You cannot set the default startup disk in Linux due to the lack of Boot Camp Control Panel in Linux.
Neither is changing startup disk recommended in Windows due to the inability to display correctly.
For me, I click "Cancel" whenever I am on this tab (Feel free to make other Boot Camp adjustments in other tabs).
Only OSX I know that can show the startup disk options correctly.
Note 2: For some reason, OSX likes to auto mount the EFI partition everytime it boots up. It is not known to have any issue for ejecting other disks or mounting disks via Disk Utility.
Note 3: It is not determined if any Firmware or System upgrades will cause issues. It is only known that all 3 OS's regular updates should not be an issue.
System Updates excludes Mac OSX 10.9.3 updates to OSX 10.9.4 type as I had done it on a OSX 10.9.4 Mac or Windows 8.1 to Windows 8.1 Update 1 since my Windows DVD comes with Update 1.
System Upgrades refers to OSX Mavericks to Yosemite, Fedora 20 to Fedora 21, Windows 8.1 Update 1 to Windows 8.2 / Windows 9 for that matter.
Note 4: Reset SMC and / or PRAM will NOT affect your ability to boot any of the OS (OSX, Recovery HD, Fedora & Windows 8)
Yup, that is it! -
Complete newbie: Linux, and writing drivers...
I have spent a bit of time searching this forum, and reading over a
good deal of older posts to get an idea of things. I am
completely new to LabView --- I have not even used it yet --- but am
looking to get to know it better in the near future.
My first questions relate to LabView on Linux. I have read a few
posts about the differences between the Linux and Windows versions, but
these were fairly old. Is the Linux version still lacking
compared to the Windows one, or are the differences fairly small
now? In addition, there are a few pages which state that Debian
is a supported distrobution, but the FAQ does not list it: is that a
simple oversight? My work system runs Ubuntu (a Debian-based
distro), and I would like to stick with that if possible, but if I
would be better off using the Windows version I can access a Windows
system.
I have also been looking into writing LabView drivers for accessing
dedicated hardware. Most of what I have seen and read so far
relates to drivers written in LabView, however, I have read a little
about then being written in several other languages. Is there
anywhere I would be able to get the source for any drivers written in
C, so I can see what exactly is involved in writing one. I find
it a lot easier to understand these kinds of things by looking
at examples, rather than explanations (with is the bulk of what I have
found so far). If I can see examples written for both Windows and
Linux, that would be even better --- that way I could understand the
differences between drivers for these two operating systems.A couple of things to clear up (or muddy up!). LabVIEW "compiles" its code the first time you run it after loading or changing code. It doesn't, at this point, create a file that can be executed on another computer without the development package. To do that you need to purchase the Professional Development package, or one of the lower versions and the Application builder toolkit. This toolkit creates an installation package that includes a ".exe" file. To run it you will need to install the LabVIEW runtime engine on the target machine. This can be done by the installation package created by the application builder, if so configured. The runtime engine is a fairly big package in version 7.1, and this causes a lot of comments by the VB and VC++/.NET folks, but the truth is they also have a runtime engine requirement, theirs is just automatically installed as part of Windows.
Instrument drivers, for standalone instruments (GPIB, serial, etc.), usually do include the source. In the current (this does not apply to IVI drivers, they are a whole different category) method of writing these types of drivers, calls are made to some LabVIEW resources that use what are called VISA functions. VISA is a technology that provides a level of abstraction between us and the actual hardware port (GPIB, serial, etc.) Most of these standalone instruments are setup, programmed, read, using commands that consist of ascii strings. So drivers in this case are functions that convert settings for instance into the appropriate string of commands, i.e. "RB 3000000HZ;VB 1000000HZ;VAVG OFF;VBR 0.300000;" sets the resolution bandwidth, video bandwith, video averaging and video bandwidth resolution on a HP859x series spectrum analyzer.
For the National Instruments cards LabVIEW comes with a bunch of tools to make talking to them easier, it still being at a relatively high level of abstraction, where a settings, etc. are passed to and from some built in function. The problem comes with boards from other vendors. There you are at the mercy of drivers they supply, as obviously National Instruments is not going to devote their development resources to drivers for hardware from competitors. The drivers from the other vendors range in quality from pretty good to what looks like it was written by the new hire engineer that had a copy of LabVIEW dropped on their desk and were told "we need some LabVIEW drivers for the biphase framistat by next Friday!".
P.M.
Putnam
Certified LabVIEW Developer
Senior Test Engineer
Currently using LV 6.1-LabVIEW 2012, RT8.5
LabVIEW Champion -
Forum section for Arch-derived and "installation-assisted" distros?
Apparently there's a policy that posts regarding Archbang, Bridge Linux and other "installation-assisted" Arch distros will be moved to that purgatory of forum sections known as "Off Topic".
I'm wondering if a new forum section could be established to accommodate discussion of these distros.
For example, I think it's helpful for Arch users to know that there are ways to achieve a quick and painless Arch installation if you don't have time to go through the config yourself. I've been using Arch for seven years and have installed it many times, but recently I needed to install Arch in a hurry. Bridge Linux let me do just that, and I suspect Archbang would have, as well.
I think the Arch forum mods are trying to keep the forum focused on the essential Arch experience of installing from scratch, editing config files, etc. That's fine, but I suggest that a section be opened for installation-assisted Arch distros to accommodate Archbang, Bridge and other distros that yield an Arch system.
People who use these "installation-assisted" distros are running full-fledged Arch Linux, not another distro derived from Arch.
As things stand, it's almost as if you shouldn't expect support on the Arch forum if your spouse or a friend installed your system for you!
Thanks.
Last edited by dhave (2012-04-05 17:26:08)As one of the moderators, allow me to chime in here. First off:
dhave: It was good trading emails with you earlier this week. After we communicated, I saw that my colleague moved your post to off-topic. Sorry, I did not have the opportunity to let them know you and I had communicated. Regardless, off topic really is not purgatory -- that would be "Topics Going Nowhere" (Actually, I suppose that would be limbo in Dante's view) The other side of Styx would be "Dustbin". Some of the best discussions occur in off-topic
In general, I am pretty easy going and try not to interfere with healthy discussion. We are, after all, a community. Not everything needs to be Arch centric. I am also fairly tolerant of questions that have clearly been asked and answered before; sometimes because new users don't know what they don't know. I don't mind doing some hand holding. Sadly, some folks never get with the program
Jason, Allan : good to see you both. Hope you are having a good autumn down there.
As to other distributions, here is the thing. These are the Arch Linux forums. People who are researching problems here depend on these forums as a dedicated Arch resource. The moderator team works to keep these forums on topic and prevent "contamination" from distributions that handle things differently than Arch and may cause confusion or may be plain old wrong with respect to Arch.
As such, a friendly discussion about Bridge Linux is harmless; whereas questions about Archbang (a fine distribution) on the Arch forums can be a direct cause of misinformation that creates problems for the users of both distributions.
Last edited by ewaller (2012-04-06 06:53:09) -
LabVIEW for Linux and hardware registers
Hi all,
I'm considering using LabVIEW for Linux in an upcoming project based around
PC/104. As the only way to communicate to the PC/104 module inputs is via
hardware addressing, I need to know whether it is possible to directly
address hardware in LabVIEW for Linux. If not can you suggest a way of doing
this? Also does LabVIEW for Linux and say RedHat make for a more stable
system than LabVIEW for Windows and Windows 2000/XP?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Shane Broadbent
- remove the 'nospam' to reply by e-mailHi Shane.
I know that you can address hardware in Labview for Linux: I do it with an NI6071e,k 6602 and 6503. I don't know specifically about the PC/104, but I imagine it can also be done.
Generally you can talk to the hardware registers using code interface nodes (CINs) in Labview. In the CIN you just use a 'write()' command. I don't think there's anything more to it than that. Creating the CINs is no trouble at all.
Don't know about stability of Labview with Linux compared to windows, all though others tell me stability is pretty much the same.
hope this helps and good luck! -
http://lunar-linux.org/
Seems like an interesting distro, I'm still hesitant to try it though. I am satisfied with arch, but I always wondered about those compile everyting distros. I've tried and use gentoo, and I just didn't like it. But for some reason lunar linux is catching my eye. If anyone has tried ti, I'd love to hear a quick review . From what I understand, in a lot of ways it's like arch linux, nothing but a base system. The major difference is that everything is self-compiled.
Last edited by twiistedkaos (2007-08-31 10:16:42)to take this a bit further and , only partly, justify my first reply
a compiling distro imho needs to have 2 things
a failry large userbase
and EXCELLENT documentation
i dont think a linux distro has yet achieved both, not even gentoo in its glory days
what comes closer would be freebsd but that aint linux
taking the above into consideration i would prefer compiling myself all packages in arch which is simple and its easy to customise and build the packages just the way u want em to. plus its a system u are familiar with
Last edited by dolby (2007-08-31 18:44:40) -
Hello there!
I've been an arch64 user for about half a year now and recently tried out Gentoo (Though I havent been really successful at custom kernels yet...).
Both distros are absolutely awesome, each it's pros and cons. Arch's BSD Style init + PKGBUILDs and simplicity, and Gentoos source-based and *complex*(in a negative way) customizability + USE flags
Are there currently any distros involving Arch's KISS and BSD style init, but with a source-based flavor? That would be my definition of the ultimate distribution.
I'll probably stay with Arch anyway but would still like to know
Thanks in advance! ~Sander
Last edited by Sander Hoksbergen (2009-01-06 21:40:18)@catwell: AviSynth 3, sadly, is pretty much a dead project. I swear I will help work on it once I am useful in that area But for now, it's 100% unusable. As for USE flags, I disagree. They don't have to be complex (and they actually aren't too much). The problems arise I have found when you start setting USE flags because you _think_ you will use features in the future, or when you try to set all USE flags at the very beginning. Just roll with it, and set them when you need them. Although, more profiles containing average USE flags for different system use cases would not hurt at all.
@jcolinzheng: I agree on the configuration aspect completely. Gentoo should really have a structured, simple config system. Arch has demonstrated that you can do that without sacrificing power, I don't think source-based has to be necessarily too much more complex. As for LFS, it's real nice to learn with and just plain have fun with, but is hard to use as a main distro - mostly taking time to track upstream bugs, security flaws, patches needed, etc... it's ridiculous how much work distros do just for packaging (thanks Arch, btw ).
@alecmg: Agreed. OFFTOPIC{ Try comparing default KDE 4.1 to KDE 4.1 compiled with the 'kdehiddenvisibility' USE flag, and LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -Wl,--hash-style=gnu -Wl,--sort-common -Wl,--as-needed". No, I'm not in ricer mode I've been experimenting with Funtoo long enough to know which flags are and aren't worth setting (e.g. CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -pipe" is as good as it gets... more just fscks things up almost always). Startup times of KDE and some apps are boosted exponentially, assuming you had a fast PC to begin with. Some packages have problems with --as-needed, and to a lesser extent the dtags one, but they are getting fewer and fewer (and those two are the biggest helps). }
Last edited by Ranguvar (2009-01-07 16:04:11) -
The difference between 'Pigment Based' and 'Dye Based' color inks?
What is the difference between 'Pigment Based' color inks (as used in the HP OfficeJet 8500 series) and 'Dye Based' color inks (as used in the HP OfficeJet 7500 printer)?
Thanks;
Mark SPigment based inks have small color particles suspended in a carrier (like paint). Dye based inks have colorant disolved in the carrier (like water colors). Pigment based inks generally have better lightfastness, dye based inks are generally better for photo quality on glossy media. The following Google search has many pages with useful information.
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