Lxde windows issues

I am having an issue with lxde...  I just installed it and when I start up, the lxde desktop appears to load fine.   
As soon as I open a window,
1.  It places the window in the upper left corner.  I am unable to move it or resize it.
2.  In the windows title bar, the close, restore, minimize buttons are not there.....   This is on all windows that open.
This is happening on two machines, my desktop and an older ibm t20.   The desktop has had Arch on it for a few months.  The laptop is a fresh install, and I was trying to load a lighter weight DE...
Gnome is fine on both...
Any ideas are appreciated..
thanks in advance

It appears the config files look ok???  Openbox is installed and "appears" to be set right...
/etc/xdgl/lxsession/LXDE/default
lxde-settings
smproxy
xscreensaver -no-splash
openbox --config-file $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/openbox/lxde-rc.xml
lxpanel --profile LXDE
pcmanfm -d
/etc/xdgl/lxsession/LXDE/autostart
@lxde-settings
@xscreensaver -no-splash
@lxpanel --profile LXDE
@pcmanfm -d
/etc/xdgl/lxsession/LXDE/config
[Session]
window_manager=openbox-lxde
If you think openbox is crashing, I will follow that....
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