Mac Pro 2008 Won't Start Up without Option Key

Hi.
I cannot start up my Mac Pro 2008 without holding down the Option key.
My Snow Leopard internal hard drive failed, so I replaced my failed internal drive with a brand new one and put the cloned backup onto it. I also have other internal drives and partitions with systems 10.5.6, 10.7.5, and 10.8.4. I briefly added a Mavericks partition, but removed it.
I THINK the problems started after the HD failure, but I'm not sure. I added no peripherals recently, although I did add 4 gigs of RAM which were faulty and I had to replace them. But they test fine with a memory test.
If I Restart, the Mac comes up with a grey screen and won't boot into any system.
If I Shut down, then Start up, I get the gray screen.
In System Preferences, I can see every single possible Startup Drive, but no matter which one I select, the same gray screen happens on boot up.
However, if I hold down the Option key (from startup or restart), then I can choose any startup volume and it starts just fine.
I've run Disk Utility many times for Repair Disk and Repair Disk Permissions on every volume. I've run Disk Warrior. I've zapped the SMC/PRAM, etc. I've tried starting up from external firewire drives and USB drives. No matter which drive I select in StartUp Disk Preferences, it's the same grey screen.
I've tried starting up with ZERO peripherals attached except for USB keyboard and mouse.
I've taken out all startup and login items.
I'm don't know what else to try. I don't mind using the Option key every time, but I'm worried it's a sign of impending problems.
Thanks!

Barry, thanks for your reply. Yes, that's what I mean when I wrote:
"In System Preferences, I can see every single possible Startup Drive, but no matter which one I select, the same gray screen happens on boot up."
I selected a default startup volume in sys preferences, closed it, and restarted. I tried every volume possible in turn.
But thanks for doublechecking

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Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2600, PCIe, 256 MB
Memory Module: DIMM Riser B/DIMM 1, 2 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x02FE, 0x47523244463247425838454C3830304E3252
Memory Module: DIMM Riser B/DIMM 2, 2 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x02FE, 0x47523244463247425838454C3830304E3252
Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 1, 1 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x80AD, 0x48594D5035313241373243503844332D5335
Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 2, 1 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x80AD, 0x48594D5035313241373243503844332D5335
Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 3, 2 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x02FE, 0x47523244463247425838454C3830304E3252
Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 4, 2 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x02FE, 0x47523244463247425838454C3830304E3252
Bluetooth: Version 4.1.7f4 12974, 3 service, 12 devices, 0 incoming serial ports
PCI Card: ATI Radeon HD 2600, sppci_displaycontroller, Slot-1
Serial ATA Device: Samsung SSD 840 PRO Series, 512,11 GB
Serial ATA Device: ST31000524AS, 1 TB
Parallel ATA Device: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112D
USB Device: hub_device, apple_vendor_id, 0x9120, 0xfd500000 / 2
USB Device: Keyboard Hub, apple_vendor_id, 0x1006, 0xfd520000 / 4
USB Device: Apple Optical USB Mouse, apple_vendor_id, 0x0304, 0xfd521000 / 6
USB Device: Apple Keyboard, apple_vendor_id, 0x0221, 0xfd522000 / 5
USB Device: Apple Cinema HD Display, apple_vendor_id, 0x9220, 0xfd530000 / 3
USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, apple_vendor_id, 0x8206, 0x5d200000 / 2
FireWire Device: built-in_hub, 800mbit_speed
FireWire Device: unknown_device, unknown_speed
Report EtreCheck :
Description du problème :
Here is the report of EtreCheck after the Kerner Panic sent before.
Christophe.s
EtreCheck version : 2.0.2 (86)
Rapport créé 13 octobre 2014 11:23:31 UTC+02:00
Informations matérielles : ℹ️
Mac Pro (début 2008)
Mac Pro - modèle : MacPro3,1
2 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon CPU : 8-core
10 GB RAM Pas extensible
DIMM Riser B/DIMM 1
2 GB DDR2 FB-DIMM 800 MHz ok
DIMM Riser B/DIMM 2
2 GB DDR2 FB-DIMM 800 MHz ok
DIMM Riser A/DIMM 1
1 GB DDR2 FB-DIMM 800 MHz ok
DIMM Riser A/DIMM 2
1 GB DDR2 FB-DIMM 800 MHz ok
DIMM Riser B/DIMM 3
empty empty empty empty
DIMM Riser B/DIMM 4
empty empty empty empty
DIMM Riser A/DIMM 3
2 GB DDR2 FB-DIMM 800 MHz ok
DIMM Riser A/DIMM 4
2 GB DDR2 FB-DIMM 800 MHz ok
Bluetooth: Vieux - Handoff/Airdrop2 pas disponible
Informations vidéos : ℹ️
ATI Radeon HD 2600 - VRAM : 256 MB
Cinema HD Display 2560 x 1600
Logiciel du système : ℹ️
OS X 10.8.5 (12F45) - Uptime: un jour 0:11:6
Informations des disques : ℹ️
Samsung SSD 840 PRO Series disk0 : (512,11 GB)
Statut S.M.A.R.T. : Vérifié
disk0s1 (disk0s1) <non monté> : 210 Mo
MacPro SSD (disk0s2) / [Startup] : 511.25 Go (472.61 Go libre)
Recovery HD (disk0s3) <non monté> [Restauration] : 650 Mo
ST31000524AS disk1 : (1 TB)
Statut S.M.A.R.T. : Vérifié
disk1s1 (disk1s1) <non monté> : 210 Mo
MacPro 1To (disk1s2) /Volumes/MacPro 1To : 999.35 Go (633.08 Go libre)
Recovery HD (disk1s3) <non monté> [Restauration] : 650 Mo
Informations USB : ℹ️
Verbatim Portable USB Drive 320,07 GB
Statut S.M.A.R.T. : Vérifié
disk3s1 (disk3s1) <non monté> : 210 Mo
320 Go Christophe Syren (disk3s2) /Volumes/320 Go Christophe Syren : 319.73 Go (313.64 Go libre)
USB 2.0 USB Flash Drive 8,17 GB
Statut S.M.A.R.T. : Vérifié
SANS TITRE (disk2s1) <non monté> : 8.17 Go
Apple, Inc. Keyboard Hub
Mitsumi Electric Apple Optical USB Mouse
Apple, Inc Apple Keyboard
Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller
Gatekeeper : ℹ️
Mac App Store et développeurs identifiés
Représentants de lancement : ℹ️
[désengagé] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist Aide
[désengagé] com.adobe.CS5ServiceManager.plist Aide
[désengagé] com.extensis.FMCore.plist Aide
Daemons de lancements : ℹ️
[invalid?] com.adobe.SwitchBoard.plist Aide
Représentants de lancement pour l’utilisateur : ℹ️
[désengagé] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist Aide
[désengagé] com.adobe.ARM.[...].plist Aide
Éléments Ouverture : ℹ️
iTunesHelper Application (/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunesHelper.app)
Dropbox Application (/Applications/Dropbox.app)
Plug-ins internet : ℹ️
OfficeLiveBrowserPlugin : Version : 12.3.6 Aide
AdobePDFViewer : Version : 9.5.5 Aide
QuickTime Plugin : Version : 7.7.1
JavaAppletPlugin : Version : 14.9.0 - SDK 10.7 Vérifier la version
Panneaux de préférences de 3ème partie : ℹ️
Growl Aide
Time Machine : ℹ️
Skip System Files: NO
Sauvegarde automatique : OUI
Disques sauvegardés :
MacPro SSD : Taille de disque : 511.25 Go Disque utilisé : 38.64 Go
Destinations :
Data [Network]
Taille totale : 2 To
Nombre de sauvegardes total : 9
Sauvegardes la plus agée : 2014-10-08 01:39:21 +0000
Dernière sauvegarde : 2014-10-10 11:31:35 +0000
Taille de la disque de sauvegarde : Excellent
Taille de sauvegarde 2 To > (Taille de disque 511.25 Go X 3)
L’utilisation du CPU par processus : ℹ️
      1% WindowServer
      0% ps
      0% fontd
      0% System Events
      0% coreservicesd
L’utilisation de la mémoire par processus : ℹ️
97 Mo Dock
97 Mo Finder
75 Mo WindowServer
64 Mo com.apple.security.pboxd
64 Mo CalendarAgent
Informations de la mémoire virtuelle : ℹ️
523 Mo RAM Disponible
1.04 Go RAM Active
307 Mo RAM Inactive
8.86 Go RAM Résidente
266 Mo Pages entrants
0 o Sorties pages

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