Making Changes To Nested Sequences

I have edited a series of clips into a sequence in FCP. Let's call that sequence Sequence 1, shall we?
Later, I had to create a new sequence, based on clips edited from the first sequence. Clips from Sequence 1 have been nested into a new sequence, called Sequence 2.
I was asked to make an overall change to the look of the video. I went back to the first sequence, Sequence 1, and placed a semi-transparent Photoshop layer over it. It looks pretty cool.
But...
...the Sequence 1 that is nested into Sequence 2 has not changed. How do I get the Photoshop layer that is in Sequence 1 to be visible in Sequence 2?
In other words, how do I get the nested sequence to reflect the changes that were made to it?
Thanks!

You need to doubleclick on the nest in the containing sequence (sequence 2). That will load the correct version of sequence 1 in the timeline. Any changes you make to this version should be reflected in the containing sequence. If they are not, toggle the nest on and off (select it and hit control b). This will force an update if there's a problem.
When you edit something into a sequence, it creates a copy. So any changes you make to the original are not reflected in the sequence. This is a very basic fact of fcp. For example, load a clip in the viewer, edit it into the timeline. Change your in point in the viewer. This change is not reflected in the timeline. But if you double click on the clilp in the timeline, this version of the clip loads in the viewer. If you change the in point in the viewer, the in point of the clip in the timeline changes.
If you apply a filter to a nest and want to adjust the parameters of the filter, option doubleclick the nest and it will load in the viewer and you can adjust the filter.

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Has anyone else noticed this problem? I've got a nested sequence that I'm cutting and editing around and most of the time everything is fine. If I doubleclick the nested sequence in my main sequence, it opens the nested one and if I then double click the nested sequence in my Browser, it goes to that same sequence. Changed in one will show up in the other.
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