Maximum Render Quality no longer shown.......

I'm using CS4.
I have had great success with Steve Bellune's suggested settings for exporting media and encoding HDV 1080 60i projects for DVD burning.
Now, all of a sudden, for some crazy reason all I have on the small drop down menue are the following choices:
    Use Preview files
    Include Source XMP Metadata
    File Info.....
There is NO Maximum Render Quality choice like I have had in the past.
Might be my imagination, but I seem to see many, many more Jaggies on the DVDs.....
As far as I know, nothing else has changed.
Suggestions ???? Tks, Tom B.

Please show people what you see - http://forums.adobe.com/thread/592070?tstart=30

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Maximum Render Quality CS5.5

My project is about 1hr 15 mins long, covering 8 sequences.
3 days ago, I encoded using the MPG2-DVD preset and burnt a trial disk with an Encore project.
After reviewing the disk, I made a few trivial changes to the PP project and encoded again.
Exactly the same encode settings except I checked Maximum Render Quality.
This time, it took FIVE TIMES longer to encode, and I cannot see any difference in disk quality.
What does checking Max Render Quality do?
Would you expect it to take 5x?
And would you expect a better quality disk?
Thanks

Jim,
Bill and I are testing this extensively for the new PPBM6 test and on our current time-line, which is an AVCHD 1080i-29.97 source with numerous effects, fast color corrector, brightnes & contrast, gamma correction, gaussian blur and 3-way color corrector and speed slowed down by 50%, for a total duration of 2;39;04 exporting to MPEG2-DVD with a preset of NTSC 23.976 Widescreen High Quality I have just tested again the export times and it gave me the following results:
System
Hardware MPE On,
MRQ Off
Hardware MPE On,
MRQ On
Software MPE,
MRQ On
i7-3930K,
GTX 680
24 s
24 s
436 s (94 without MRQ)
i7-2600K,
GTX 680
NA
33 s
870 s
i7-980X,
GTX 680
NA
30 s
556 s
Now this test is taxing on the GPU, because there is frame blending, scaling and blurring going on during export, but I can not see any difference with or without MRQ with hardware MPE turned on. I ran several runs and they are consistently between 23 and 24 seconds on this test. Several things of interest here, the advantage the 6-cores have over a 4-core when using software mode only, and the difference between MRQ settings in software mode MPE.
PS. You may be testing this with AME instead of Direct Export. AME is seriously handicapped in CS6 and that may be the cause of your strange results. How does it look with your same test when you use Direct Export, because exporting a 1 minute clip without effects taking 1 minute contrasts seriously with my export of 24 seconds for a clip 2.5 times longer and filled with effects. You know that both Bill and I have rather tuned systems and when our software MPE exports take this long (436 - 870 seconds) there is something going on here I would like to know more about.

YouTube Video: Do you recommend use maximum render quality?

YouTube Video: Do you recommend use maximum render quality?
Is it worth the wait?
Do you use it for YouTube videos?
How much longer does it take to render / export?
Twice as long or ?
Just looking for a general comparison in time based on with and without.
I know it depends on variables.
I'm already in the process at 21%. (15 mins.)
Just curious for the future.
Thanks.

Hi,
You can use the "Maximum Render Quality" whenever you are scaling down the resolution from larger frame size to smaller frame size while exporting.
It requires more RAM during export & should be used whenever maximum quality output is required. However the export process may be slower than the normal export.
Thanks.

When do I need maximum render quality?

Help me to understand it right.
There is "maximum bit depth" and "maximum render quality".
I only use maximum render quality if I downscale a project from hd to sd to get a better downscale?!
I use maximum bit depth if I want to render effects in 10 Bit quality.
I usually cut with XDCAM Files outputting it to disc - with this 8 Bit Files there is no require to render with maximum bit depth isn't it?
Because when I output to XDCAM-Disc all files must be coded to 8 bit xdcam-mxf again right?

with this 8 Bit Files there is no require to render with maximum bit depth isn't it?
See this The Video Road blogpost on Understanding Color Processing. At the end of the article Steve Hoeg presents detailed explanation how the 'Maximum Bit Depth' flag works.
See also this discussion on 'Maximum Render Quality'.
Additional I don't unterstand right now, why Premiere is rendering my 50MBit Xdcam Files with 25 Mbits MPEG files.Is this only preview quality?
If you're talking about preview files, then yes, unless you tick 'Use Previews' checkbox in the Export Settings dialog. By default PrPro utilises MPEG2 for rendering previews. You can change that while you're creating new sequence: in the New Settings dialog click Settings tab, choose 'Custom' from the Editing Mode drop down list, then you will be able to set Preview File Format and Codec in the Video Previews section. Now the question is whether you really want it? Rendering to a production codec will take longer, whereas rendering previews happens more often (if ever) than rendering final output...
Tento wrote:
No it's not necessary. Unless you want to make a color grading in 10bit, but that would be with a lossless codec like DNxHD.
No, that's a delusion. See this The Video Road blogpost on Understanding Color Processing I mentioned earlier in my comment.

Export with Maximum Render quality

I'm about to output in 4K a final master project file for a short film that was primarily shot in 4K, but also has some clips in 1920 by 1080 and even 1280 by 720.
I'm not concerned with how long the export takes. Is there any downside (or benefit) to activating "maximum render quality"? What about "render at maximum depth"? 24 bit or 48 bit?
I would think for a master file, you'd max out all of this, no?
Thank you for any and all input. I will use the master file to generate Vimeo, Apple TV, etc. dubs.

Use Maximum Render Quality: Mostly affects upscaling of content. If you're not upscailing, you won't notice much of a difference. Looks like you might be upscaling content to 4k, so I'd say yes to turning this on.
Render at Maximum Depth: What is the bit-depth of your source content? Do you have any content in your sequence that would benefit from the higher bit-depth?
If you really don't care how long it takes to export, you might as well turn these on. The drawback is the longer encode time.

"Maximum Render Quality" Better to turn it OFF when using CUDA MPE?

http://crookedpathfilms.com/blog/201...port-settings/
"IMPORTANT NOTE ABOUT RENDERING TIME: Make sure you do not select “Use Maximum Render Quality” if you are utilizing the accelerated GPU graphics (Mercury Playback Engine). This will not improve your video and will only slow down the rendering speed by as much as 4 times!"
http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotr...e-pro-cs5.html
"For export, scaling with CUDA is always at maximum quality, regardless of quality settings. (This only applies to scaling done on the GPU.) Maximum Render Quality can still make a difference with CUDA-accelerated exports for any parts of the render that are processed on the CPU...
When rendering is done on the CPU with Maximum Render Quality enabled, processing is done in a linear color space (i.e., gamma = 1.0) at 32 bits per channel (bpc), which results in more realistic results, finer gradations in color, and better results for midtones. CUDA-accelerated processing is always performed in a 32-bpc linear color space. To have results match between CPU rendering and GPU rendering, enable Maximum Render Quality."
Here is what I got out of after reading those two sites:
I should turn it off for it's always ON (when CUDA MPE is used) regardless I check or uncheck it.Turning it ON only offloads the calculation to CPU (instead of GPU) hence slowing down the previewing and encoding performance.
So I guess I should have Maximum Render Quality setting turned OFF in both of squence settings and export settings.
However, David Knarr of Studio 1 Productions suggest otherwise:
http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm
"When you startup Adobe Premiere CS5 and you don't have a certified video card (or one that is unlocked) the Mercury Playback Engine is in software rendering mode and by default the Maximum Render Quality mode (or MRQ) is to OFF.
(Maximum Render Quality mode will maximize the quality of motion in rendered clips and sequences. So when you select this option, the video will often render moving objects more sharply. Maximum Render Quality also maintains sharp detail when scaling from large formats to smaller formats, or from high-definition to standard-definition formats. For the highest quality exports you should always use the Maximum Render Quality mode.)
When you unlock Adobe Premiere CS5 so the Mercury Playback Engine can use almost any newer NVidia card (or if you are using a "certified" NVidia graphics card), the Mercury Playback Engine will be in the hardware rendering mode and the Maximum Render Quality mode will be turned ON.
Since the software mode is not set to maximum render quality, it can sometime render faster than the hardware render, but a a loss in qualitly. If you set the software to maximum render quality you will see that it is very, very slow compared to the hardware render.
Here is how to set the Maximum Render Quality.
1) Open up Premiere CS5
2) Click on Sequence at the top of the screen
3) Then select Sequence Settings
4) At the bottom of the window select Maximum Render Quality and click Okay
It is always best to be using the Maximum Render Quality mode,"
Now, I'm lost.

Okay, I am loosing it..... You are correct.
I am not sure what I was remembering, I could have sworn that when I loaded Premiere CS5 for the first time before I unlocked the video card, the Maximum Render Quality mode was NOT checked. Then when I unlocked the video card, the Maximum Render Quality mode was check to ON and I didn't set it to be On.
I just when back and uninstalled Premiere and re-installed it, to see what was going on and I was totally wrong.
Sorry for the mistake and I will be updating the article on my website in the next 15 min.
Also, I have written a small program to do the unlock automatically. The program is free and it works with the cards listed under the Automatic Mode.
If your video card isn't listen, just let me know what your card is and what you typed into the cuda cards file and I will add it to the program.
David Knarr
Studio 1 Productions

Maximum Bit Depth /Maximum Render Quality Questions

Maximum Bit Depth
If my project contains high-bit-depth assets generated by high-definition camcorders, I was told to select Maximum Bit Depth because Adobe Premiere Pro uses all the color information in these assets when processing effects or generating preview files. I'm capturing HDV using the Matrox RTX-2 Hardware in Matrox AVI format.
When I finally export my project using Adobe Media Encoder CS4, will selecting Maximum Bit Depth provide better color resolution once I post to Blu-ray format?
Maximum Render Quality
I was told that by using Maximum Render Quality, I maintain sharp detail when scaling from large formats to smaller formats, or from high-definition to standard-definition formats as well as maximizes the quality of motion in rendered clips and sequences. It also renders moving assets more sharply. It's my understanding that at maximum quality, rendering takes more time, and uses more RAM than at the default normal quality. I'm running Vista 64 Bit with 8 GIGs of RAM so I'm hoping to take advantage of this feature.
Will this also help to improve better resolution when I finally export my project using Adobe Media Encoder CS4 and post to Blu-ray format?
Does it look like I have the specs to handle Maximum Bit Depth and Maximum Render Quality when creating a new HDV project with the support of the Matrox RTX 2 Hardware capturing in Matrox AVI format? See Below Specs.
System Specs
Case: Coolmaster-830
Op System: Vista Ultima 64 Bit
Edit Suite: Adobe Creative Suite 4 Production Premium Line Upgrade
Adobe Premiere Pro CS 4.0.1 update before installing RT.X2 Card and 4.0 tools
Performed updates on all Adobe Production Premium Products as of 03/01/2009
Matrox RTX2 4.0 Tools
Main Display: Dell 3007 30"
DVI Monitor: Dell 2408WFP 24"
MB: ASUS P5E3 Deluxe/WiFi-AP LGA 775 Intel X38
Display Card: SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 4870 512MB GDDR5 Toxic ver.
PS: Corsair|CMPSU-1000HX 1000W
CPU: INTEL Quad Core Q9650 3G
MEM: 2Gx4|Corsair TW3X4G1333C9DHXR DDR3 (8 Gigs Total)
1 Sys Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB
Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s
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Just some details that i find useful on maximum render depth
You really need it even with 8bit source files, when using heavy grading/multiple curves/vignettes. If after grading you see banding, go to sequence > sequence settings from the top menu and check "maximum bit depth (ignore the performance popup), then check again your preview (it will change in a second) to see if banding is still present in 32bit mode. If no banding, you must check it when exporting, if banding is still there, change your grading, then uncheck it to continue with editing.
Unfortunately Maximum bit depth exporting is extremely time-consuming, but can really SAVE YOUR DAY when facing artifacts after heavy grading, by completely or almost completely eliminating banding and other unwanted color distortions.
Use it only for either small previews or the really final output.
Best Regards.

Maximum Render Quality not installed

I am using Premiere Pro CS4 and did not see the Use Maximum Render Quality when exporting a video, my only choices are "Use Preview Files", "Include Source XMP MetaData", and "File Info".
I found one post that said it was in a update so I checked my verison and it said 4.0.0. I then checked for updated from the Help menu and ran that. version did not change and still no Max Render Quality so I found the download for PP CS4 4.2.1 and downloaded and unsipped it.
When I ran the EXE file it started but then stopped and said "Cannot Install click the Quite button". In the text of the window is said everything for 4.2.1 was installed except the language packs. Verson number is still 4.0.0.
What else can I try?
Thanks.

Thank you Ann
on the reinstall and updates, does the last update (4.2.1) for Premiere Pro CS4 have all the updated combined or do I need to run them one at a time?
also does the Encore update (4.0.1) run or included with the Premiere updates?
I will do this starting monday, i hope to have this 2,000 ft project done tonight so I can deliver it tomorrow but will keep my data and rerun it after the update if Max Render shows up
Thanks again

Turning on Render at Maximum Bit Depth and Maximum Render Quality crashes render every time

I've tried a few times to render an H264 version of my Red media project with Maximum Bit Depth and Maximum Render Quality. Premiere crashes every time. I have GPUs enabled. Are people using these settings with Red media and successfully rendering?

To answer your specific question did you see the tooltip?
I beleive it allows for 32-bit processing (16-bit if unchecked). Per the project settings help file at http://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-elements/using/project-settings-presets.html
Maximum Bit Depth
Allows Premiere Elements to use up to 32‑bit processing, even if the project uses a lower bit depth. Selecting this option increases precision but decreases performance.
The help file for export is somewhat less informative about what it actually does but does point out that it is the color bit depth - http://helpx.adobe.com/media-encoder/using/encode-export-video-audio.html
(Optional) Select Use Maximum Render Quality or Render At Maximum Bit Depth. Note: Rendering at a higher color bit depth requires more RAM and slows rendering substantially.
In practice the simplest suggestion is to export twice - once with / once without the setting and compare the time taken and perceived quality.
Cheers,
Neale
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Maximum bit depth-maximum render quality when dynamic linking

Hi
A bit confused by the use of Maximum bit depth and Maximum render quality as used both in Sequence Settings and also as options when rendering in AME.
1 Do you need to explicitly enable these switches in the sequence for best quality or, do you simply need to switch them on in AME when you render in Media Encoder?
2 When dynamic linking to After Effects, when should you use an 8 bit vs 16 or 32 bit working space, and, how does this bit depth interact with the maximum bit depth, maximum render quality in PPro?

Hi jbach2,
I understand your confusion. I'm like that most of the time I'm working. *chuckle* The two settings you mentioned are two completely different parameters affecting (or is it effecting) your video. You do not need to enable them within the sequence itself unless you want to preview video on you program monitor at the highest quality. I personally don't recommend it, as it's a tremendous resource hog, (the program even warns you when you try to click them) and unessecary for improving final output. Again, do not enable these options in your sequence settings if you are only wanting a high quality export. Doing so will greatly reduce your editing performance unless you have a high-end system. ...and even then I don't think its worth it unless you're editing on a huge screen with a Director who wants to see everything at a maximum quality during the edit process.
Keeping it simple...
Resizing your final output video? Use Maximum bit depth.
Starting or working with high bitdepth sources? Use Max Bit Depth.
When/where do I enable these? In the AME only. ^_^
Why?:
Enabling the Max bit and Max render only needs to be done when you are exporting. They both serve different functions.
Max Render aids in the scaling/conversion process only. My understanding is that you never need to enable the Max Render Quality (MRQ) unless you are exporting in a format/pixel ratio different from your original video. For example, when rendering a 1080p timeline out to a 480p file format, you'll want to use MRQ to ensure the best scaling with the least amount of artifacts and aliasing. If you're exporting at the same size you're working with, DON'T enable MRQ. It will just cost you time and CPU. Its only function is to do a high quality resizing of your work.
Maximum bit depth increases the color depth that your video is working with and rendering to. If you're working with video that has low color depth, then I don't believe it will matter. However, if you're working with 32 bit color on your timeline in PPro and/or After Effects, using lots of graphics, high contrast values, or color gradients, you may want to enable this option. It ultimately depends on the color depth of your source material.
The same applies to After Effects.
Create something in AE like a nice color gradient. Now switch the same project between 8,16,32 bit depth, and you will see a noticable difference in how the bit depth effects your colors and the smoothness of the gradient.
Bit depth effects how different plugins/effects change your overall image. Higher depth means more colors to work with (and incidentally, more cpu you need)
Just remember that "DEPTH" determines how many colors you can "fill your bucket with" and "QUALITY" is just that, the quality of your "resize".
http://blogs.adobe.com/VideoRoad/2010/06/understanding_color_processing.html
Check out this adobe blog for more info on color depth ^_^ Hope that helps!
----a lil excerpt from the blog i linked to above---
Now, 8-bit, 10-bit, and 12-bit color are the industry standards for recording color in a device. The vast majority of cameras use 8-bits for color. If your camera doesn’t mention the color bit depth, it’s using 8-bits per channel. Higher-end cameras use 10-bit, and they make a big deal about using “10-bit precision” in their literature. Only a select few cameras use 12-bits, like the digital cinema camera, the RED ONE.
Software like After Effects and Premiere Pro processes color images using color precision of 8-bits, 16-bits, and a special color bit depth called 32-bit floating point. You’ve probably seen these color modes in After Effects, and you’ve seen the new “32″ icons on some of the effects in Premiere Pro CS5.
jbach2 wrote:
Hi
A bit confused by the use of Maximum bit depth and Maximum render quality as used both in Sequence Settings and also as options when rendering in AME.
1 Do you need to explicitly enable these switches in the sequence for best quality or, do you simply need to switch them on in AME when you render in Media Encoder?
2 When dynamic linking to After Effects, when should you use an 8 bit vs 16 or 32 bit working space, and, how does this bit depth interact with the maximum bit depth, maximum render quality in PPro?
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Maximum Render Quality

Is it true that the only time to use Maximum Render Quality on exporting is if you are scaling footage? If the size of your footage does not change on export there is really no reason to use this option. Is this correct?

Thanks Jeff,
Is MRQ only for deinterlacing or does it actually help with scaling also?

Adobe Premier Pro cs4: Maximum render quality not showing in drop down menu in Export screen

I have been trying to export a movie with settings i previously used but for some reason the Maximum render quality option that comes from the drop down menu next to video audio filter multiplexer etc is not showing up.. will someone plz tell me how to fix this...

Maximum render quality was introduced in an update for Premiere Pro CS4. Choose Help -> Check for Updates.

Nested Sequence and Maximum Render Quality

I use quite often nested sequences and sometimes within nested sequences. Do I have to check the flag Maximimum Render Quality in each sequence setting or is it enough to have it marked in the root/top sequence? I guess, I have to. Is this correct?
regards,
Claus

For exports the checkbox in the export settings dialog overrides all others. For preview rendering make sure to check it on the top sequence in which you are rendering previews.

Obsessed with "Use Maximum Render Quality"...

I have to check this. Every time. I can't help it. My brain forces me to do it.
However, I have not quite grasped what it does. Why would I not want maximum quality, and why is it separate from the "target bitrate" and all the other quality-related controls? Why a "checkbox"?

MRQ is most effective when scaling from HD to SD. Todd Kopriva has a really good blog post about it here:
October | 2010 | Premiere Pro work area
It's in the first post about scaling in CS5, CS5.5 and CS6.
Jeff

About MRQ (maximum render quality)

I just finished a test in hd downscale to sd in mpeg 2 dvd always,no multiplexer,cbr,and with the mrq checked the final sequence has more sharpness.If i check mrq in sd mode,mpeg 2dvd sequence same bitrate and everything else,i can save almost 40% of the final render time!!!Does anyone knows why this happens??MRQ decrease render time in sd sequence !!The final quality is a little bit better of course!

Thanks for the reply you are right...Focus on this.if i click the mrq in a sd project the finaly render time to mpeg 2 dvd, is 40% decrease.Any idea why this happens.Thanks !

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